Hunter x Hunter Chapter 357 Discussion

  • #50
People again complaining about asspulls and this time i agree... like wtf... and hisoka's motives behind killing the spiders are unclear (i dont care if he can do in a instant or not).



The phantom troupe are the only good group of cast in hunter x hunter and if they are gone... this series will get lackluster for me. Because zodiacs are such bland people and most cast is just average... i dont remember a single name  from zodiacs.



While i member all warlords, admirals, yonkos names from one piece.
 
  • #51
BigBoss said:
blackjew said:
BigBoss said:
blackjew said:
BigBoss said:
blackjew said:
It seems there are some misunderstandings.



First, it wasn't a vow like Gon's.



It wasn't granted to him; Hisoka did die, but died with a great wish to live. So on the brink of death he prays to his bungee gum to become stronger through death and massage his heart and lungs. He just had that strong wish and gave that command to his nen. But that was just a huge bet if his wish weren't great enough, or he wasn't in a condition to get revived through heart massage he would still be dead.



It's totally conforming with the way nen stronger through death works in the series, that's why he didn't got any drawbacks. He was just smart to use his own nen to revive himself.



Second, he didn't get healed.



He just put a "makeup" to his injuries with his Bungee Gum and Texture Surprise like he always did in the manga. He really never "recreated" a limb before, but remember that his nen got stronger so he has better control of his Bungee Gum now.



That makes it even dumber, fuck nen vows my Bungee Gum can make me stronger without me having any drawbacks..... Really?



Not Bungee Gum but death made his nen stronger because of his wish. It so happens that Bungee Gum can contract and expand so it can work to revive somebody through heart massage.



BigBoss said:
MajinAkuma said:
BigBoss said:




That makes it even dumber, fuck nen vows my Bungee Gum can make me stronger without me having any drawbacks..... Really?

The Chimera Ants had ridiculously powerful Nen without any vows. Hisoka's Nen got stronger after dying. Or do you expect a drawback from Nen from a dead person who is now undead?



Chimera ants are completely different case tho, their whole biology is different then human ones and even with those extremely powerful nen aura they could still be killed and you know.....actually stay dead...... Pitou is probably something like 5 times if not even more stronger than Hisoka and the best she could do is after dying to make the puppet move her corpse, but here we have Hisoka doing gods work.



Pitou's wish was to kill Gon that's why he activated Terpsichora after death.



He could have activated Doctor Blythe and get revived (or actually not because he got his head exploded, so he would just become a puppet) but obviously Gon wouldn't wait for that.



All this "massaging back to life" is all good and all but how is everybody ignoring the time frame in which that was done. Bungee Gum clearly didn't keep massaging it only started it after they moved him to a hotel room which lets be real probably takes time..... and it wasn't only a heart massage but even a lung massage?



Now that's a different issue. Brain death can occur in less than 10 minutes and even being quick wouldn't save someone from brain damage. Even so, there's not really a way to know the time frame. The place they are in looks like a gym locker room, so I would say they are still inside Heavens Arena. And everybody know these guys are quick with their business, so it doesn't look too far fetched to me he got revived in less than 10 minutes.



What I really want to clarify is that Bungee Gum by itself hasn't any property to revive someone, nor is it some almighty ability, just that it can do CPR. lol



Yes the brain fully dies in 3 or so minutes so even if they did hit the timing for the massaging heart and lungs the brain functionality would be long gone. Never mentioned that Bungee Gum has any healing powers but at how "versatile" it is that wtf is even the limit to that then.



And I'm saying it isn't versatile in the way you're implying in this topic. lol



All it did was contract and expand it's just its basic function.



What can be called a problem here is just in the timing for CPR, base in real world facts of course. But we are talking about HxH. Killua has trained to withstand electric shocks and poison while not even knowing nen, so these guys are stronger people than "real" people in the first place.



And I don't know why you thought they have gone to a Hotel room and took their time and all.
 
  • #52
Guilek said:
BigBoss said:
TrueHaremKing said:
My point of situation :

1 Hisoka totally defeated by Chrollo tattics

2 Hisoka try the jesus trick (by protecting his organs)

3 It worked ,probably because of his great nen skills,he did the same thing done by Pito(STronger nen after death)

4 His nen probably get boosted by the near death status"



I think this is not really an asspull because all he did was a "Nen CPR" thanks to his after death nen status"



my question here is why she didn't kill machi,is she really his sexual partner :D ??!?



But that's the thing, sure I would even buy that kind of asspull if it was done relatively soon after he "died" but we can see that quite some time passed since he stopped breathing and just in time after chilling for a while when Kortopi and shalnark leave, surprise I'm back....

Even if they were there, they didn't had their hatsu and couldn't have done much since they gave them to Chrollo.



Completely missed my point
 
  • #53
This is some huge asspull by Togashi.



"How do I make Hisoka lose to Chrollo but at the same time still make him seem super OP?"



"Oh yea! Asspull tactics"



Topkek
 
  • #54
so this is what happens when kubo does a chapter for togashi whilst he jets off to nepal to get a special back massage
 
  • #55
Ok, so I loved this asspull, but it is really dumb for one simple reason:



The brain can only be reactivated for a limited time, because it needs oxygen.



I'd guess Hisoka was prolly dead for at least 30 minutes, so he would have serious brain dmg in reality.



However he is my favorite character, and I really like where this is going, so I gave it a 5/5, even though it'S total fanservice to keep him relevant.
 
  • #56
BigBoss said:
dark-chaos said:
BigBoss said:
dark-chaos said:
BigBoss said:
DarkAngel035 said:
I have this feeling that Hisoka will not stay alive for so long.

I have the exact opposite feeling that after all of this there is no way we will see him dead.



he already dead lol



Don't think we read the same chapter it seems.



hisoka heart work because of his nen, so he already dead , if his nen stop then his heart will stop, so logically he have body without Soul , it's only his nen desire + his brain program works automatic  



that how i see things for know because hisoka character has changed a bit



But we don't really know that unless you know how to read korean.



@DarkAngel035



I still dont' get his rationale I guess, to quote someone from reddit

"This is getting pathetic. Chrollo never wanted to harm him, Hisoka was the one chasing him around. He wanted his fight, he got it, he fucking lost. And now what ? He wants to render Chrollo powerless to make sure he wins ? What a coward, mister "i like to fight strong people... except when they're actually strong because I suck".

He's gonna slash the whole troupe, I hope Chrollo gets vengeance. Because Chrollo had no reason to fight Hisoka before, but now he sure as hell does"

Hope this will all make more sense after the translation is out, this really seems like some weird fanfic still to me.



I know, right? At first when I heard about the spoilers, I couldn't even bring myself to believe it even when I like Hisoka. The way he survived was not very convincing IMO. About Hisoka being a coward, I don't think he is. He seemed to understand after being revived that knowing Chrollo, you can not win against him in such unfair battle where everything is under Chrollo's condition so they could fight. I guess he prefers a fairer match (as previously shown when he learned that Chrollo could not use his nen). But I give my praise to Chrollo for all the preps prior to their match. It's consistent to his character(advanced thinker, cautios, and making sure that all will be to his advantage) and he's amazing in dominating the match.
 
  • #57
Mikasa said:
The thing is, People thing the gum was activated when machi was there after like an hour or so.



The Nen she saw was his WHOLE nen, that means this is the time he woke up. The gum could have been working inside since the beginning for all we know.

They would have noticed that he still had a pulse.
 
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