Hunter x Hunter Chapter 357 Discussion

blackjew said:
It seems there are some misunderstandings.



First, it wasn't a vow like Gon's.



It wasn't granted to him; Hisoka did die, but died with a great wish to live. So on the brink of death he prays to his bungee gum to become stronger through death and massage his heart and lungs. He just had that strong wish and gave that command to his nen. But that was just a huge bet if his wish weren't great enough, or he wasn't in a condition to get revived through heart massage he would still be dead.



It's totally conforming with the way nen stronger through death works in the series, that's why he didn't got any drawbacks. He was just smart to use his own nen to revive himself.



Second, he didn't get healed.



He just put a "makeup" to his injuries with his Bungee Gum and Texture Surprise like he always did in the manga. He really never "recreated" a limb before, but remember that his nen got stronger so he has better control of his Bungee Gum now.



I agree with that. His revival gambit was a huge gamble to begin with, and his Nen has become stronger, which also justifies his new abilities. But since his limbs are made of his Nen, they disappear if his Nen is somehow deactivated.



Sharlnark and Kortopi lost their Nen prior to Chrollo, thus Chrollo is also unable to use them unless their Nen surpass death too. And Kortopi was the weakest member, anyway.



The consequence? Chrollo is unable to use the same tactic on Hisoka again? No doubles and no mind-control.

BigBoss said:
DarkAngel035 said:




I know, right? At first when I heard about the spoilers, I couldn't even bring myself to believe it even when I like Hisoka. The way he survived was not very convincing IMO. About Hisoka being a coward, I don't think he is. He seemed to understand after being revived that knowing Chrollo, you can not win against him in such unfair battle where everything is under Chrollo's condition so they could fight. I guess he prefers a fairer match (as previously shown when he learned that Chrollo could not use his nen). But I give my praise to Chrollo for all the preps prior to their match. It's consistent to his character(advanced thinker, cautios, and making sure that all will be to his advantage) and he's amazing in dominating the match.



But that doesn't really make sense tho, if Hisoka wanted a "fair match" he would set the conditions before he agreed to help Chrollo get his nen back but he wanted to fight him at full power and even said that it was up to him to choose the place and even the time for the fight, even during the fight he "schwinged" about the way he fought so he wanted to deal with it the hard way so to say but it's pretty shitty if his rationale was "Well fuck I wanted to kill him full power but it turns out he is waaay stronger than I thought so fuck it lol I'll just cripple him little by little by killing his hommies and then fight him" like wtf?

@dark-chaos

EDIT- yep it literally seems that it is the case LOL, what a guy! and talk about an asspull didn't even have a drawback just casually coming back to life...



Well yeah, Hisoka himself admits defeat from that statement alone. But note that he's still alive(lolz) so the battle between them isn't really over yet. In their fight in the Heaven's Arena, it's clear that Chrollo won that match and he accepts that. It was a match between the "prince of prep" and the "clown who specializes surprises" where the match was set in favor of the former and the former won because the latter clearly underestimated the former.

Hisoka pulled out the biggest Jesus I have seen in manga, wow.



Shalnark was one of my favorite Ryodan members, sad to see him die instantly.

BigBoss said:
TrueHaremKing said:
My point of situation :

1 Hisoka totally defeated by Chrollo tattics

2 Hisoka try the jesus trick (by protecting his organs)

3 It worked ,probably because of his great nen skills,he did the same thing done by Pito(STronger nen after death)

4 His nen probably get boosted by the near death status"



I think this is not really an asspull because all he did was a "Nen CPR" thanks to his after death nen status"



my question here is why she didn't kill machi,is she really his sexual partner :D ??!?



But that's the thing, sure I would even buy that kind of asspull if it was done relatively soon after he "died" but we can see that quite some time passed since he stopped breathing and just in time after chilling for a while when Kortopi and shalnark leave, surprise I'm back....

Even if they were there, they didn't had their hatsu and couldn't have done much since they gave them to Chrollo.

DarkAngel035 said:




I won't say that HxH has no plot armor but at least this manga presented a more reasonable excuses to cover up this plot armor usage.



So in a nutshell, HxH is equally flawed as the popular Shounen Manga but the pros overweight the cons for the fans  like it´s the case with any other fanbase.

Got it.

BigBoss said:
blackjew said:
It seems there are some misunderstandings.



First, it wasn't a vow like Gon's.



It wasn't granted to him; Hisoka did die, but died with a great wish to live. So on the brink of death he prays to his bungee gum to become stronger through death and massage his heart and lungs. He just had that strong wish and gave that command to his nen. But that was just a huge bet if his wish weren't great enough, or he wasn't in a condition to get revived through heart massage he would still be dead.



It's totally conforming with the way nen stronger through death works in the series, that's why he didn't got any drawbacks. He was just smart to use his own nen to revive himself.



Second, he didn't get healed.



He just put a "makeup" to his injuries with his Bungee Gum and Texture Surprise like he always did in the manga. He really never "recreated" a limb before, but remember that his nen got stronger so he has better control of his Bungee Gum now.



That makes it even dumber, fuck nen vows my Bungee Gum can make me stronger without me having any drawbacks..... Really?



Not Bungee Gum but death made his nen stronger because of his wish. It so happens that Bungee Gum can contract and expand so it can work to revive somebody through heart massage.



BigBoss said:
MajinAkuma said:
BigBoss said:




That makes it even dumber, fuck nen vows my Bungee Gum can make me stronger without me having any drawbacks..... Really?

The Chimera Ants had ridiculously powerful Nen without any vows. Hisoka's Nen got stronger after dying. Or do you expect a drawback from Nen from a dead person who is now undead?



Chimera ants are completely different case tho, their whole biology is different then human ones and even with those extremely powerful nen aura they could still be killed and you know.....actually stay dead...... Pitou is probably something like 5 times if not even more stronger than Hisoka and the best she could do is after dying to make the puppet move her corpse, but here we have Hisoka doing gods work.



Pitou's wish was to kill Gon that's why he activated Terpsichora after death.



He could have activated Doctor Blythe and get revived (or actually not because he got his head exploded, so he would just become a puppet) but obviously Gon wouldn't wait for that.

j0x said:
mangastream scanlation is out btw



and holy shit Shalnark and Kortopi died without even a good fight because their nen abilities are stolen by Chrollo



Which is also super weird as they should still have their nen but no hatsus right? didn't even put up a fight... what a chapter.......

So does Hisoka want to kill Machi after he has defeated Chrollo? Their relationship seems so weird.. And it has been ages since I saw all the spider members, so here a short list:



1. Chrollo ( final boss)

2. Machi ( won't die because she is adorable <3

3. Killuas sister

4. Nobunaga ( will fight Kurapika for revenge)

5. Feitan ( more damage receives = sun-bro summoning)

6. Franklin ( shoots Nen )

7. Phinks ( Nen gets stronger when he starts spinning )

8. music guy ( who creates planets with his music )

9. Shizuku ( vacuum cleaner )

10. ?





Dead members:

11. Paknoda ( lie detector )

12. Kurtopi ( duplicate ) RIP

13. Sharknark ( control ability) RIP

14. Uvogin ( Kurapikas first kill )

15. the member Hisoka killed to join



Guys help me out if the name is wrong. Thanks!