Hunter x Hunter Chapter 357 Discussion

blackjew said:
BigBoss said:
blackjew said:
BigBoss said:
blackjew said:
BigBoss said:
blackjew said:
It seems there are some misunderstandings.



First, it wasn't a vow like Gon's.



It wasn't granted to him; Hisoka did die, but died with a great wish to live. So on the brink of death he prays to his bungee gum to become stronger through death and massage his heart and lungs. He just had that strong wish and gave that command to his nen. But that was just a huge bet if his wish weren't great enough, or he wasn't in a condition to get revived through heart massage he would still be dead.



It's totally conforming with the way nen stronger through death works in the series, that's why he didn't got any drawbacks. He was just smart to use his own nen to revive himself.



Second, he didn't get healed.



He just put a "makeup" to his injuries with his Bungee Gum and Texture Surprise like he always did in the manga. He really never "recreated" a limb before, but remember that his nen got stronger so he has better control of his Bungee Gum now.



That makes it even dumber, fuck nen vows my Bungee Gum can make me stronger without me having any drawbacks..... Really?



Not Bungee Gum but death made his nen stronger because of his wish. It so happens that Bungee Gum can contract and expand so it can work to revive somebody through heart massage.



BigBoss said:
MajinAkuma said:
BigBoss said:




That makes it even dumber, fuck nen vows my Bungee Gum can make me stronger without me having any drawbacks..... Really?

The Chimera Ants had ridiculously powerful Nen without any vows. Hisoka's Nen got stronger after dying. Or do you expect a drawback from Nen from a dead person who is now undead?



Chimera ants are completely different case tho, their whole biology is different then human ones and even with those extremely powerful nen aura they could still be killed and you know.....actually stay dead...... Pitou is probably something like 5 times if not even more stronger than Hisoka and the best she could do is after dying to make the puppet move her corpse, but here we have Hisoka doing gods work.



Pitou's wish was to kill Gon that's why he activated Terpsichora after death.



He could have activated Doctor Blythe and get revived (or actually not because he got his head exploded, so he would just become a puppet) but obviously Gon wouldn't wait for that.



All this "massaging back to life" is all good and all but how is everybody ignoring the time frame in which that was done. Bungee Gum clearly didn't keep massaging it only started it after they moved him to a hotel room which lets be real probably takes time..... and it wasn't only a heart massage but even a lung massage?



Now that's a different issue. Brain death can occur in less than 10 minutes and even being quick wouldn't save someone from brain damage. Even so, there's not really a way to know the time frame. The place they are in looks like a gym locker room, so I would say they are still inside Heavens Arena. And everybody know these guys are quick with their business, so it doesn't look too far fetched to me he got revived in less than 10 minutes.



What I really want to clarify is that Bungee Gum by itself hasn't any property to revive someone, nor is it some almighty ability, just that it can do CPR. lol



Yes the brain fully dies in 3 or so minutes so even if they did hit the timing for the massaging heart and lungs the brain functionality would be long gone. Never mentioned that Bungee Gum has any healing powers but at how "versatile" it is that wtf is even the limit to that then.



And I'm saying it isn't versatile in the way you're implying in this topic. lol



All it did was contract and expand it's just its basic function.



What can be called a problem here is just in the timing for CPR, base in real world facts of course. But we are talking about HxH. Killua has trained to withstand electric shocks and poison while not even knowing nen, so these guys are stronger people than "real" people in the first place.



And I don't know why you thought they have gone to a Hotel room and took their time and all.



That's not really all it did, it did even on the precise timing, it didn't just contract and expand how he said that it should work. he said when his heart and lungs stop that bungee gum should "contract and expand" them to full force but it only happend after 30 or so minutes, even if it was in 15 min still far fetched but hey we are talking about an asspull. Because they think he is dead? why would they be in a hurry if hey know for a fact that he is dead for what reason would they want to do this in like 5 min or so? they even checked to see if he is dead for sure, stayed in the room for a while, did we even read the same chapter?

Total 7 chapters and this.

Damn utter disappointment indeed.

Not just his revive was ass pull.

His character took complete 180.

Literal waste of such good character.

BigBoss said:
blackjew said:
BigBoss said:
blackjew said:
It seems there are some misunderstandings.



First, it wasn't a vow like Gon's.



It wasn't granted to him; Hisoka did die, but died with a great wish to live. So on the brink of death he prays to his bungee gum to become stronger through death and massage his heart and lungs. He just had that strong wish and gave that command to his nen. But that was just a huge bet if his wish weren't great enough, or he wasn't in a condition to get revived through heart massage he would still be dead.



It's totally conforming with the way nen stronger through death works in the series, that's why he didn't got any drawbacks. He was just smart to use his own nen to revive himself.



Second, he didn't get healed.



He just put a "makeup" to his injuries with his Bungee Gum and Texture Surprise like he always did in the manga. He really never "recreated" a limb before, but remember that his nen got stronger so he has better control of his Bungee Gum now.



That makes it even dumber, fuck nen vows my Bungee Gum can make me stronger without me having any drawbacks..... Really?



Not Bungee Gum but death made his nen stronger because of his wish. It so happens that Bungee Gum can contract and expand so it can work to revive somebody through heart massage.



BigBoss said:
MajinAkuma said:
BigBoss said:




That makes it even dumber, fuck nen vows my Bungee Gum can make me stronger without me having any drawbacks..... Really?

The Chimera Ants had ridiculously powerful Nen without any vows. Hisoka's Nen got stronger after dying. Or do you expect a drawback from Nen from a dead person who is now undead?



Chimera ants are completely different case tho, their whole biology is different then human ones and even with those extremely powerful nen aura they could still be killed and you know.....actually stay dead...... Pitou is probably something like 5 times if not even more stronger than Hisoka and the best she could do is after dying to make the puppet move her corpse, but here we have Hisoka doing gods work.



Pitou's wish was to kill Gon that's why he activated Terpsichora after death.



He could have activated Doctor Blythe and get revived (or actually not because he got his head exploded, so he would just become a puppet) but obviously Gon wouldn't wait for that.



All this "massaging back to life" is all good and all but how is everybody ignoring the time frame in which that was done. Bungee Gum clearly didn't keep massaging it only started it after they moved him to a hotel room which lets be real probably takes time..... and it wasn't only a heart massage but even a lung massage?



Yeah, that's the issue, Hisoka prayed that he would be revived after death...but it didn't exactly happened as he said, more like about half an hour later for some unexplained reason, and conveniently when only one person was with him at the time.

DarkAngel035 said:
BigBoss said:
dark-chaos said:
BigBoss said:
dark-chaos said:
BigBoss said:
DarkAngel035 said:
I have this feeling that Hisoka will not stay alive for so long.

I have the exact opposite feeling that after all of this there is no way we will see him dead.



he already dead lol



Don't think we read the same chapter it seems.



hisoka heart work because of his nen, so he already dead , if his nen stop then his heart will stop, so logically he have body without Soul , it's only his nen desire + his brain program works automatic  



that how i see things for know because hisoka character has changed a bit



But we don't really know that unless you know how to read korean.



@DarkAngel035



I still dont' get his rationale I guess, to quote someone from reddit

"This is getting pathetic. Chrollo never wanted to harm him, Hisoka was the one chasing him around. He wanted his fight, he got it, he fucking lost. And now what ? He wants to render Chrollo powerless to make sure he wins ? What a coward, mister "i like to fight strong people... except when they're actually strong because I suck".

He's gonna slash the whole troupe, I hope Chrollo gets vengeance. Because Chrollo had no reason to fight Hisoka before, but now he sure as hell does"

Hope this will all make more sense after the translation is out, this really seems like some weird fanfic still to me.



I know, right? At first when I heard about the spoilers, I couldn't even bring myself to believe it even when I like Hisoka. The way he survived was not very convincing IMO. About Hisoka being a coward, I don't think he is. He seemed to understand after being revived that knowing Chrollo, you can not win against him in such unfair battle where everything is under Chrollo's condition so they could fight. I guess he prefers a fairer match (as previously shown when he learned that Chrollo could not use his nen). But I give my praise to Chrollo for all the preps prior to their match. It's consistent to his character(advanced thinker, cautios, and making sure that all will be to his advantage) and he's amazing in dominating the match.



But that doesn't really make sense tho, if Hisoka wanted a "fair match" he would set the conditions before he agreed to help Chrollo get his nen back but he wanted to fight him at full power and even said that it was up to him to choose the place and even the time for the fight, even during the fight he "schwinged" about the way he fought so he wanted to deal with it the hard way so to say but it's pretty shitty if his rationale was "Well fuck I wanted to kill him full power but it turns out he is waaay stronger than I thought so fuck it lol I'll just cripple him little by little by killing his hommies and then fight him" like wtf?

@dark-chaos

EDIT- yep it literally seems that it is the case LOL, what a guy! and talk about an asspull didn't even have a drawback just casually coming back to life...

I'm glad the art is better. I hope it stays this way.

And this is why I partially dislike the source of power in this series. Now I don't know if MS translation is a bit too... complicated? Because it's just really ridiculous... and people whose excuse are "It's possible since Nen users have shown to...", everything should have consequences, Hisoka is pretty much the same he was before, heck even killed two guys this chapter. Now I knew he wouldn't have died, because, well... he's a fan favorite, and I like him myself... but this was just... ridiculous, just as ridiculous as Gon's transformation, tho it had some consequences, it also introduced that 'plot device' to heal him.... Now if someone can explain this, it would be helpful.

The way the fight concluded was really unexpected and I really think it should've ended differently.

Although I love Hisoka as a character I truly believe that it would be better if Togashi killed him right there, during fight with Chrollo. The way it is right now, it looks ridiculously stupid how Hisoka can pretty much revive himself and even grow a fucking limbs.

It just shows that losing an arm or leg is not a big deal anymore, really taking away emotions from the fights and making the whole experience less dramatic.

H-X-H said:
OMG so many fucking haters right here!!! Hisoka is Smart why don't you accept that ??? or it`s just because your favourite character died  ??



Not really, I'm mad that a character comes back to life from one of the biggest asspulls ever pulled out. I expected Hisoka to be alive but the way it was handled was terrible.