NANA Chapter 84 Discussion
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- #2
That way it makes sense that Lil' Ren has light hair like Nobu, and explain why Nobu is ALWAYS asking for him and asking about him playing guitar (when Nobu said to present pregnant Hachi that he wants to teach the child). Hachi is assuming it's a girl but it will be a boy and since it's only a few months after Ren's death they name him after Ren.
But since Takumi said he'd raise the child as his own he does get attached even though the child is Nobu's. Either way Hachi and Takumi will spend more years together and have Satsuki, and only now in the "future" we see they're separated.
- #7
Ladylethal said:
So I reread all the flashes into the future and the feeling I have is that Lil' Ren is Hachi and Nobu's kid. I think we all immediately thought Satsuki was older but I think Ren will be born first, and then Hachi will have Satsuki.
That way it makes sense that Lil' Ren has light hair like Nobu, and explain why Nobu is ALWAYS asking for him and asking about him playing guitar (when Nobu said to present pregnant Hachi that he wants to teach the child). Hachi is assuming it's a girl but it will be a boy and since it's only a few months after Ren's death they name him after Ren.
But since Takumi said he'd raise the child as his own he does get attached even though the child is Nobu's. Either way Hachi and Takumi will spend more years together and have Satsuki, and only now in the "future" we see they're separated.
That sounds like the best interpretation yet! I hope Yazawa-sensei decides to continue with the series, I recently heard that she might not after her illness.. :/
I interpreted it the same way. And I was in the beginning Takumi x Hachi fan but I can't stand emotional disorders (Takumi) and slavery (Hachi) so I was feeling pretty bad when Takumi violated their relationship (sleeping with others, kissing Reira and never calling Hachi). She really loves him, but I think that she made a mistake in too quickly choosing him. Nobody would die if she could wait a little bit longer and talk with Nobu (he haven't even recovered from the news and he was already dumped) and push Takumi away for a while so she can choose. I hope she will choose Nobu. He is a perfect character for her. Loving, caring, everything that Takumi isn't and it would be a real shame if manga wouldn't end this way (marriage Nobu x Hachi). :)
--> And yea. The chapter was short. Really too short.
- #8
Ladylethal said:
So I reread all the flashes into the future and the feeling I have is that Lil' Ren is Hachi and Nobu's kid. I think we all immediately thought Satsuki was older but I think Ren will be born first, and then Hachi will have Satsuki.
That way it makes sense that Lil' Ren has light hair like Nobu, and explain why Nobu is ALWAYS asking for him and asking about him playing guitar (when Nobu said to present pregnant Hachi that he wants to teach the child). Hachi is assuming it's a girl but it will be a boy and since it's only a few months after Ren's death they name him after Ren.
But since Takumi said he'd raise the child as his own he does get attached even though the child is Nobu's. Either way Hachi and Takumi will spend more years together and have Satsuki, and only now in the "future" we see they're separated.
As sad as it seems I don't have any reasonable expectation after 2½ years that Ai Yazawa will be finishing this manga. All the same, I hope she is in good health and can continue with her career in one form or another.
Meanwhile, for the sake of closure I'll have to speculate on what transpires after chapter 84.
First, I think Yuri's thoughtless actions cause Nana to feel like she's somehow a burden on Hachi's happiness. As a result of that, her loss of Ren, and Yasu no longer able to support her she feels helpless and lonely and chooses to run away and die alone where she won't trouble the people she loves. Instead she ends up painfully living day to day with only her singing and memories of the past to keep her from completely losing all hope.
Second, I believe that Takumi and Hachi truly love each other. However, Takumi's whole life has been about making Reira happy which is why he slept with her despite his better judgment. It's also the reason he chooses to stay by Reira's side in London while she's emotionally unstable and pregnant with his second child, Ren. Despite this he still want's Hachi by his side but for her part Hachi has chosen Nana over Takumi. Which is why she stays in Tokyo on the faint hope that someday she will return. As a result Takumi is trying to help Hachi find Nana so that they can be together again as family. Despite all the horrible things Takumi has done Hachi will stay by his side and bear his first child, Satsuki.
In the end I suspect that Hachi finds Nana and somehow they repair their relationship.
In the meantime I guess I'll hold of on watching the anime in the hopes that someday Ai Yazawa will finish the manga.
- #12
And to add to the debate on the children's parents, I support that the child is Nobu's. How could the child be Reira and Takumi's if the one that is obviously Hachi's is younger? That'd mean either 1. Hachi loses this bab and has another down the line, or 2. Reira currently has a hidden children because it is older than Hachi's child.
Also, Hachi promises to name her child after Ren (or in a sense--- she consults him on a name). And well, the kid's name IS Ren.
Also, the kid has a natural interest and talent with the guitar, as does Nobu.
Nobu didn't 'walk out' on Hachi when he found out she was pregnant, he was just shocked and he did offer to do all it took to care for the child, but Hachi was convinced the child was Takumi's since Takumi didn't use protection, but Nobu did (but hey, condoms break). I think she was just trying to think of her child in the long run and the best financial and assumed biological situation, I don't think she was in love with Takumi. She is trying to make the best of the situation and make a warm home and a family for her child to be born into. But so far that doesn't look like that's going to happen. I think they will remain married, yet live separate lives.
