NANA Chapter 84 Discussion

Derravaragh said:
Arwenia said:
spazure said:
Ladylethal said:
So I reread all the flashes into the future and the feeling I have is that Lil' Ren is Hachi and Nobu's kid. I think we all immediately thought Satsuki was older but I think Ren will be born first, and then Hachi will have Satsuki.



That way it makes sense that Lil' Ren has light hair like Nobu, and explain why Nobu is ALWAYS asking for him and asking about him playing guitar (when Nobu said to present pregnant Hachi that he wants to teach the child). Hachi is assuming it's a girl but it will be a boy and since it's only a few months after Ren's death they name him after Ren.



But since Takumi said he'd raise the child as his own he does get attached even though the child is Nobu's. Either way Hachi and Takumi will spend more years together and have Satsuki, and only now in the "future" we see they're separated.



That sounds like the best interpretation yet! I hope Yazawa-sensei decides to continue with the series, I recently heard that she might not after her illness.. :/



I interpreted it the same way. And I was in the beginning  Takumi x Hachi fan but I can't stand emotional disorders (Takumi) and slavery (Hachi) so I was feeling pretty bad when Takumi violated their relationship (sleeping with others, kissing Reira and never calling Hachi). She really loves him, but I think that she made a mistake in too quickly choosing him. Nobody would die if she could wait a little bit longer and talk with Nobu (he haven't even recovered from the news and he was already dumped) and push Takumi away for a while so she can choose. I hope she will choose Nobu. He is a perfect character for her. Loving, caring, everything that Takumi isn't and it would be a real shame if manga wouldn't end this way (marriage Nobu x Hachi). :)

--> And yea. The chapter was short. Really too short.



I really can't comprehend why people like Takumi? Never once in this entire manga has he shown any bit of emotional interest in Hachi. Before she got pregnant, he only talked to her to have sex with her, never meant what he said (only remembering that he promised to come over after he finished the tour when he got yelled at), and only stayed by her side the night her pregnancy came out because he knew her pregnancy was something that could potentially hurt Trapnest, his initial reaction was, "I'll pay for the child", not let's be together. Even after she chooses him, he has never once put her as any sort of priority, he just does what needs to be done for her to survive.



Secondly, Why do people think she loves Takumi? She was enfatuated with him because he was a star in the beginning, and his sweet talk got to her that first night (the night of the tomatoes, not first sex), which is just Hachi being Hachi, lusting after guys based on nothing. As soon as a genuine opportunity for love appeared, her feelings changed, but the pregnancy happened. She only chose Takumi because Nobu left and didn't stay by her side that initial night and Takumi did. You can say that it was Hachi's fault for not talking to him and only apologizing, but she didn't say anything to Takumi either and he still stayed assuming the responsibilty.



Finally, and there's nothing to base this off really, but I just feel that Ren (the child from the future scenes) is Takumi and Reira's.



I honestly could not even agree more.

Takumi is like.. a monster just thrown into the NANA universe. i wish he'd be the one to die instead of Ren. Takumi has done nothing to make anything better except paying for Nana and her child to live on in comfort and taking care of Trapnest. i'll admit i had a little bit of compassion for him in the Takumi chapter, showing his past..but then i think of all that he's done to cause this rift in the whole story.



I think if Takumi didn't cause the damage he did, Nobu and Nana(hachi) would be so, so happy and Nana wouldn't have run off after Ren's death and she wouldn't have had those hyperventilating attacks and Maybe he would have gotten with Reira and she would be happy but i personally think Shin and Reira should be together they're like nobu and nana[hachi] in a way. their relationship would be sweet and caring.



Poor yasu. maybe he'll have a shot with nana after all this but i doubt that.

Loved every single chapter of this manga.

I'm glad there are some flashforwards now and then so we can picture how things went for them... My take is that Hachi had twins (Satsuki takes after Takumi and Ren takes after Hachi). Takumi went England with Reira due to her mental condition (in the hospital she thinks that Ren is in England, resting), while Hachi stays in Japan waiting for Nana. I suspected that Ren's passing is what made Nana give up on her life, but in the last chapter she seemed to had got over it... So my guess is that something related to her mother made her flee to England (in the previous chapters they said that her mother is ready to contact her).



It seems that Hachi works in a kimono shop (or perhaps the shop is hers and she manages it). I don't think she wants to give up her relationship for Takumi (she declines Junko's suggestion of getting a divorce) and I get it because she has a lifestyle that she wouldn't have achieved if she had choosen Nobu (unless he gave up on his dreams and went back to his family's hotel). Also, it doesn't seem like Nobu and Yuri stayed together (probably due to Yuri's jealousy).



There aren't many clues about Yasu and Miu's lives, but they are cute together and I get why Yasu would like to be with a self-reliant woman, as opposed to Nana... What makes me wonder why thinks didn't work out with Shion. I also wonder about Misato (Mai) and the rumours about she dating the president... It seems that she isn't around in the future (even though Junko and Kyosuke are), so maybe something happened...



There are some mangakas who have made a comeback after a long pause, so I don't want to be completely hopeless... Even if she doesn't continue Nana, I'd love if Yazawa wrote again. Her characters feel real enough to have fans engage in discussions as if they were real people. She usually addresses themes like dreams, solitude, finding your purpose in life... I wish I had read her works when I was a teenager.

wow...



WILL WE EVER FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?! T___T

Confucius said:
I think Yazawa also died.



Yazawa didn't die, actually she was released from the hospital a couple of months ago.

damn i just finished watch and read Nana, and it's already 9 years but still no positive sign that the author will continue the manga ><

So first question how did Ren death make you feel. I was sadden by it he was one of my favourites and sad to seem him kill him self just to protect Trapnest. Second how do you think Reira felt if she knew why and third how do you think Nana would feel if she knew why?

My opinion about the future here, it will be that Ren is certantly Hachi's child but because she and Takumi are separate now he stay with him and then Satsuki with Hachi, but in my opinion both are siblings, probably they are twins, that is why Satsuki is always wishing to be together as family as Nana said. Ren can't be Reira's son because he never say "my mom"  and then when Reira said that it was incredible how she loves him even when he is Takumi's son, I don't think a mother can say that about her son, but it is intersting who all of this turned out already, which I think Nana will be back in the aparment in her birthday as she said again: "as a present". Now about Nana she is living near the ocean because it is were Ren is, now all of them are in England, Trapnest and Nana, again if you think about it the story is back again when they are in the same city as they were in Tokyo, now it could be that Yasu will be running to see Nana or maybe not, as you know he is still with Miu so who knows at this point HAHAHA , on the other hand Nobu is always asking for Ren not beacuse he is his son but is just the fact that he's still in love with Nana, and just to think that probably they could be his childs for me that always kills Nobu, but is more than obvious that both are Takumi childs, I mean they are almost the same as him,it is really hard to see Takumi separate from Nana, he is still cold with her,  I think he really loves her but I cannot say the same for Hachi... Nana for me it is full of mistery yet the history and of course a great plot, so I hope Ai Yazawa can continue this amazing manga.