Fai said:
AllenNoah said:
Janvie_Pascal said:
THIS END overrating is ridiculous. Where do people get that he's acnologia level and that Gray should stand no chance? LOL and how is END dragon level?
Acnologia fearing END is bullshit, and is an assumption made by characters. Feat wise, Acnologia shits on END. Btw, the fight with Dimaria was off-panel so we don't know END bypassed time travel, and the fact is Dimaria's time age seal hasn't done shit to top tiers.
Gray standing a chance against END is legit. He stomped Base Marde (the same fucker who was babyshaking LFD Natsu/Yaio Twins) proving how slaying advantage is massive against characters above you, and should be logically a lot stronger now, so it makes sense why he's holding his own against END.
So yea we should all admit Gray fighting on par with END MAKES SENSE. Especially considering how many times Gray has fought the fucker and knows his habits.
All you're fanboying on END's fanboy hype too hard here.
What I don't get is:
Cheria stomps Dimaria: Totally legit because God Slayer
Gray matches (not even beats, matches) E.N.D.: Complete asspull
Like...what?
Godslayers have proper hype and we saw them be strong and Dimaria is a nobody spriggan fodder whoa ll have been disappointing. And people did complain about that fight too.
Proper hype like Zancrow, who lost to Natsu once Natsu overcame his only disadvantage (not being able to eat his flames, making him at best a gimmick fight for Natsu, keep in mind and injured Makarov was able to nearly crush him with his Titan Magic)? Or like Sherria, who had a good showing against a base Wendy and even then was fought to a draw by a weaker opponent. Or maybe Orga...who was oneshotted by Jura.
Fai said:
END Is an endgame hyped up Zeref's ultimate demon supposedly stronger than Tartaros, strong enough for Acnologia to feel its a threat, strong enough to rival and kill Zeref and so on.
Gray is what? An FT member who can do some ice tricks and who without his father's convenient asspull power-up demon slayer gift should not even be threat to Lucy/Erza/Mira/Wendy/Gajeel/etc let alone the supposedly strongest creation of Zeref.
Keyword there is "supposedly." Zeref was supposedly the ultimate source of evil in the world (not in those words exactly, but you know how propaganda works). Sabertooth was supposedly the strongest guild in Fiore after Tenrou (except for Lamia Scale never actually trying by signing Jura and Lyon up). E.N.D. was supposedly the founder of Tartaros (turned out Mard was just crazy. Way to shit on your last interesting villain, Mashima). Serena was supposedly the strongest mage in Fiore (...lol). See where I'm going with this? Also, two things:
1. Acno himself denies that E.N.D. is a threat to him and even now he seems to care more about killing Dragon Slayers then going after the book/E.N.D..
2. It's never been confirmed that E.N.D. can even kill Zeref. All we have are assumptions and expectations by him and Mard. Even when Natsu was in FDK Mode Zeref only thought it might work. Otherwise, if E.N.D. could kill him all along, why didn't he? Or why didn't Zeref just immediately awaken him and let E.N.D. kill him?
Fai said:
Dimaria fight and most of spriggan fights were bullshit. But this like bullshit^squared. Hell this fight should not even be happening in the first place, since the only reason it is happening is because Mashima felt it fitting to have Gray act dumb and stand in the way of the only thing capable of killing Zeref.
That I will not argue. This whole arc seems to be made of bullshit.
Fai said:
In a world of good writing - Gray's role at most would be about getting knocked out by a single punch, while we focus on LUCY(aka the actual heroine of the manga) trying to bring Natsu back
In world of MASHIMA writing we instead got a rehash of that shitty avatar arc scene but with even more Gray-wanking. And with some Erza wank on top of that.
So...you want her role to be furthering Natsu's storyline even more (by playing Betty Ross to his Hulk)? Weren't you the main guy who raised a stink about Layla getting fridged just to bring the dragonslayers over (not that you were wrong, mind. I think it's BS too. Especially since the only ones who know are the celestial spirits and Zeref so to the general population she just died one day. Well, Lucy and Brandish know now, so there's that, I guess.)?