Fairy Tail Chapter 504 Discussion
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- #99
RaySapphire said:
MonkeyDMike said:
Actually,I wanted a fight between them where Natsu was in his final END form,possibly his etherious one and lost his mind and Gray would be the one who would use his power to supress Natsu's demon side.I just can't stand pointless fights like these.While,I completely agree with your arguments,Gray didn't need to use his devil slaying power,because he didn't encounter any demons during the war so he wouldn't have lost his sanity in the first place,since he knew the concequences of this magic's usage.
I also wanted a good fight, but the way I see this fight goes is that both have totally lost themselves to their demons and are just trying to kill each other. I don't think Gray would be the one stopping Natsu/END, I think that was Lucy's purpose to begin with.
What do u mean he didn't encounter any demons?
well Yes Gray didn't have to use his devil slaying and he knows how dangerous that power is but that's the main reason why he had that in the first place, it was his trump card in defeating END but instead of controlling that demon slaying power, he let the demon/power control him therefore losing his sanity again due to juvia's death and his past traumas hunting him and now natsu being END, this dude snapped.
I remember how much hyped I was for a Natsu vs Gray fight,after the end of Tartarus arc.Now,with the current arc after all this stupid pointless melodrama,"sacrifices"(except Sherria's lost magic),boring oneshots and now this fight that started for stupid reasons from both sides killed this hype for me,with the direction this whole arc took.If this arc doesn't end any time soon,I can see people who will stop hyping this manga,even when Acnologia appears for a fight.
Kaanso said:
MonkeyDMike said:
Kaanso said:
MonkeyDMike said:
RaySapphire said:
MonkeyDMike said:
Gray's reason makes no sense at all.I understand his hatred about Deliora and the other demons,but going so far to accuse and kill his friend,when he didn't do anything to his family,Ur and Juvia is just stupid.Just go kill the one who created them ffs.
MonkeyDMike said:
Gray's stupidity is ruining it.Let the waifus fix these two.
Alright again, gray doesn't really make sense and is stupid right now, because he is not on his right mind. and yes I agree that it's not Natsu's fault, and also at first I was like "Gray why can't you just freaking kill zeref???" since he started it all! but the fact that he lose his sanity and that he's so focus and obsess at the one task that his father gave him which is defeating END is the reason why he is fighting his best friend right now.
yes the two girls are the ones who's going to replenish their husbandos minds
Actually,I wanted a fight between them where Natsu was in his final END form,possibly his etherious one and lost his mind and Gray would be the one who would use his power to supress Natsu's demon side.I just can't stand pointless fights like these.While,I completely agree with your arguments,Gray didn't need to use his devil slaying power,because he didn't encounter any demons during the war so he wouldn't have lost his sanity in the first place,since he knew the concequences of this magic's usage.
Kaanso said:
MonkeyDMike said:
Gray's reason makes no sense at all.I understand his hatred about Deliora and the other demons,but going so far to accuse and kill his friend,when he didn't do anything to his family,Ur and Juvia is just stupid.Just go kill the one who created them ffs.Natsu also thinks that Lucy died(maybe Dimaria's timestop gave him the wrong conclusion about her status) and he is going straight to find Zeref.Natsu vs Gray started.Meanwhile,Irene looks for Mavis,who used her projection magic to encourage the rest of the guild to continue fighting the Alvarez's battalions.An ok chapter I guess,but Gray's stupidity is ruining it.Let the waifus fix these two.
This is such a stupid post. You're expecting a guy who's lost his sanity due to his magic and mental trauma and expect him to make sensible decisions. WTF.
Funny enough you completely ignore Natsu is being just as stupid.
The only stupid post here is yours that lacks any serious argument.Natsu vs Gray is currently wasted right now.Natsu has a reason that acts like that and he is suffering in his current state and doesn't try to kill his friends.Ofc he is also acting stupid,because he is going to kill himself but at least his reasons make more sense than Gray's.You talk about a mental trauma,when he didn't even check Juvia if she was alive,because she was(another bs of this arc),used his devil slaying magic,which was completely unnecessary,tainted by it and now blocks the way of his best friend,who wants to kill the one who created the demons.The fact that you attack me when you try to defend a character,who even though has one of the most interesting backstories in this manga,has a power,which he gained via asspull and now is being wasted as well,shows clearly your fanboism.The whole direction of Gray's objective has turned into shit right now,just like the whole arc.If you like it,good for you,but let people have their own opinions about this.
Seriously, you retarded mang? When you're seriously pissed off and rage, you don't go ahead and check people's pulses, because all of the anger in your system is preventing you to do something small, much like how Natsu couldn't check Lucy's pulse when she was dead in his eyes. How the hell did Gray get a asspul powerup in comparision to Natsu's FDK and Gajeel's ISD. It shows your level of stupidity and bias especially when DeS is one of the best written powerup in the manga, where Gray is sticking to his element, has foreshadowing, logic consequences and isn't a freebie unlike Natsu's constant bullshit powerups and asspulls. Clearly your stupidity and Natsu fanboyism has turned into shit. You constantly forget that Gray's mental health isn't correct right now. Jesus christ, learn what Mashima is entailing in the manga, instaed of throwing shit up your ass lol.
Oh god the one who insults people over a f*cking manga is the retarded one.If you had read my posts in the previous chapters,you would have already known that I don't favor Natsu at all.Can you explain with serious arguments then how it's possible to inherit a Devil Slaying Magic out of nowhere?Can you?Nope.The same applies with Natsu's and Gazeel's two-elemental powerups.Fairy tail is the god of asspulls and then you try to distinguish which kind of asspulls makes more sense to you just to defend your favorite character.Pathetic.I'm not gonna waste more of my time with brainless people,who don't know how to make a proper conversation, like you.
You're doing the same thing, brainless fucking twat.
He didn't inherit the powerup, the powerup Gray got was transferred to him. We see transferred magic all the way back in Tenrou. Suggesting it's an asspull, when it's well explained, foreshadowed with consequences, is just laughable.
LMFAO
So by your logic:
Magic transferred to Natsu from Jellal,Laxus,Zancrow,Atlas Flame and transferred magic from Rogue to Gajeel->asspull
Magic transferred to Gray from his dying father->perfectly explained
Yeah,go on contradicting yourself,little fanboy twerp.
Dont Argue with these fanboy / fangirls anymore, thay are just so pissed because their best Fictional charactère went full retarded and it turned out he is a douche xD
- #100
Geekwoglasses said:
Yet people still say Gray is rational and smart.
The whole fight doesn´t make sense the way it´s depicted.
There´s one scenatio I could imagine in which it would make sense, that being Gray reluctant to kill Natsu, but being forced into it due to Natsu being unstable and possibly harmful to their guild.
That ofc being shown for a change and not just talked about like it usuall is with Fairy Tail. A good example would be Natsu critically injuring Juvia by himself due to a lack of sanity and possibly also injuring Lucy in the process.
The current scenario is bullshit in the sense that Natsu is only guilty of being one of Zeref´s demons (or whatever currently) and Gray having promised to kill said demon. This is the equivalent of an action motivated through racism or different prejudice. Natsu himself hasn´t done anything yet.
But neither has Natsu any motivation to fight Gray, it´s plain stupid.
The only way this scenario can make sense is if both of them are currently possesed or on drugs and therefore not responsible for their actions.
To be fair, END just wanted Gray out of the way so he could go to Zeref.
- #101
That was just stupid!!!
Both of them are idiots!
Natsu , Check for lucy's pulse ffs
and Gray , yeah you're life got messed up by zeref so the only logical thing to do is kill your best friend right ?! wrong!!!!
The funny thing is, they're really not thinking about logic or reasoning at this moment. because both of them have completely gone insane. their demons is slowly swallowing them because of their rage and grief.
and yes both gray and natsu dont really know how to check for a pulse. :D
- #103
G_Spark233 said:
Both are blind and have very little reason to fight.
Not sure why Natsu just assumed Lucy was dead...
My guess is that he didn't have enough time to fully comprehend the situation or check her before his anger boiled over and activated END.
So he just naturally jumped to the worst conclusion? Makes sense.
- #105
A couple things annoyed me about this chapter. first is grays reasoning to kill natsu, he may hate the demons of zeref but come on natsu is his friend who he has known for years so it should click in his mind that natsu has got nothing to do with everything that went on in his past, whereas I can kind of understand natsu's reasoning due to the desire to kill zerefmaking it so he can't think clearly
Second of all he barely won against Invel who is as strong as, if not weaker than dimaria due to her having God takeover magic who natsu traumatised last chapter. but against a partially transformed END (who even acnologia fears) he's fighting on par with him?
Where did the sudden power up come from?
It's clear Gray is not thinking, because his mental condition isn't stable right now because of his losses, and the magic corrupting him.
Natsu on the other hand isn't reasonable whatsoever, he expects to kill Zeref while knowing he's going to die as well. That' s Natsu being an idiot.
Stop this acnologia fearing END crap. It's not true.
Demon slaying magic, and the fact that Gray's endurance is very high.
Gray barely won against Invel? You do realize that Gray didn't have any demon markings in his body when he low diffed Invel right? He kicked his ass in his natural form, that shows he won low diff against Invel, not "barely".
StarGazer6123 said:
Gray pisses me off sometimes... He avoided Juvia for some quite time by now that this transpired he is going to activate his own 'demons' for the girl who sacrificed herself for him. For Natsu, I bet is going to kick some ass and if he really is powerful he should defeat Gray without a single sweat. Sorry but I rather have Natsu win because he could actually give hope to this endless war.
blfan said:
Whoever translated thanks a lot you jerks, you ruined my experience for Monday when the proper translation. The only reason I read this version is because everyone on YT all the reviewers just couldn't wait.
Anyway what is wrong with you Gray, Natsu don't hold back, kick his butt, he deserves it for trying for his friend for stupid reasons. Natsu did not kill you parents, Ur, or Juvia, you an idiot. You and Mest both deserved to be kicked out for your stupidity.
Even in this situation, we always find time for some Lucy fan service. And Hiro teasing with Makarov having health problems, not buying it, you have fooled me too many times with Makarov. He ain't dying.
Maybe Mavis worlds have put some sense back into Gray, and the seeing eye, that is so scary, but I am sure someone will poke it in the eye.
I can't wait for Irene to get her butt kicked, the Mary Sues has just become annoying to me, I can't wait to see her lose, and I don't care if it is in a BS way, actually I prefer that, I will take humor in her defeat.
So next chapter Trump Card, god helps us, it better be good.
Okay think for a moment and use your brain. Your lack of insight and short sight perspective is making you lose it. Calm down.
Gray’s mind and mental condition is not what it used to be because of the corrolating events that occured against Invel and afterwards. Then he evidently gets reminded of his past trauma.t Gray is pretty much has his head screwed off, that all of the common sense in his system is gotten out of the water. and some of what he’s doing is kind of justified in a way. Invel even alludes that his use of magic is slowly going to change him and lose all sanity. and right now the effects of his magic and lack of support when it comes to no one supporting him and relieving his mind state is in full control.
He’s not in the right mental condition for his actions because of the trauma of Juvia’s death and then being reminded me of his other loved ones dying, all of this has put in a lot of stress, distress and burden in his mental condition. He’s overloaded.
Gray’s sanity is slipping because of his fight vs Invel and Juvia’s “death”. Invel explained that Gray would fall into the darkness once Juvia died and that he would lose his sanity bit by bit because of his DeS magic. Juvia is even aware of it and even states Gray is breaking.
I’m not condoning Gray’s reasoning for fighting END, I’m explaining why he’s doing why he’s doing it. We can relate to it, even right now because he’s not himself
You just went posting this without even exactly looking at Gray's side of the coin, and what's worse is you're comparing him to Mest and bashing him. Pathetic.
and what was so reasonable about Natsu? He's going to kill Zeref? The fool even knows that if he kills Zeref, he dies too. and you want Natsu to go with that? Such reasonable thought process there. That's sad.
I want Gray to kick Natsu's ass, but I want him to do it when he's sane.