Fairy Tail Chapter 480 Discussion

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Kanic said:
When Tartaros first appeared :



The council got slaughtered -> Face was activated -> Face was destroyed-> Fiore was left defenseless in the possibility of a war with Alvarez AND Makarov decided to disband the guild.



Translation : Tartaros had an impact on the setting and by the extension the plot.



Furthermore the events that transpired concerning the mains as individuals gave room for their development : 1-Natsu and Gray lost their fathers (or kinda at least) 2-Lucy sacrificed one of her friends(kinda..) 3-Wendy finally learned to stand up for herself and activate DF 4- Erza was reminded of her childhood torture and had her confidence in  herself shaken (supposedly)



Translation: On top of their impact on the setting/world/plot , or however you wanna call it they impacted the mains as well.



This crucifixion scene is nothing of the like. It's just gratuitous violence , most probably for shock value. It doesn't change the fact that half of the Spriggans were irrelevant (at best) so far. It doesn't change the fact that this arc lacks a chain of events. It's just filler until we get to Zeref and Acno.

It went from a ridiculous arc to a ridiculous arc coupled with a gratuitous scene.



I can't understand where the glorification of this chapter or the "in your face haterzz" comments come from......



^THIS SO MUCH.



Tartaros not only had great build up and pay off, but also lasting consequences. It changed every character involved, no matter if they won or lost. It had great and well written escalation of threat, the villains set up from the start that they are the threat and there were consequences from the very start. I mean one of first things they did was completely decimating the organization that existed since the very start of the manga and in such a brutal and striking way. And even though the first introduced Gates lost, they did not lose in shameful way. Even in losing they were portrayed as a threat. Jackal got owned and Tempesta got destroyed but neither of fights felt like a true win. Even in their defeats those two characters felt like a force to be reckoned with. And then things very nicely escalated from that. The destruction of the guild? The way elfman was used for that? Even if it was thwarted, it still had impact because of HOW it was done.



This arc just feels random like filler stuff. Mashima wants the readers to think this is some huge ass war, but so far this feels less urgent than even the damn Phantom Lord attack all the way at the start of the manga.  Crucifixion scene would have worked damn well during Tartaros, but not with this. There's no reason to fear for those characters hanging on the crosses since every single character asspulled away all the consequences so far. There's no real reason to fear a spriggan approaching since most of them were shameful idiots who did not manage to accomplish anything at all.

Why should we even believe August hype? God Serena got SHITLOAD of hype since the very start of the arc, no scratch that, since the introduction of Four Gods. And he got an absolutely anticlimatic fight and death.  Why should August be different?



If Avatar and GMG arcs are great example of great build up followed by awful letdown of pay off, then Spriggan arc is an example of shitty-to-nonexistent build up followed by letdowns and asspulls.
 
  • #51
How the hell did Sabertooth end up like that!? That can't be happening!
 
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August hype is real!!.... the cruxifiction scene is too much for me... wondering if jenny got NTRed(my imagination's running wild)... i doubt mashima's gonna kill them the DS at least because they're protected by plot until acnologia...



I wish this neinhart isn't as trash as the previous spriggans... this guy had some nasty hype in him when he was blatantly disobeying zeref's orders.... he's like the silver's version of the spriggan, and that guy was a beast compared to his comrade...



knowing mashima i bet he's gonna pull of a simon drama on these 3... so they start to lose... then they overcome their drama/sins etc... and pummel for the win.... i sure hope not
 
  • #53
cloud8100 said:


Ah, I see. So it felt forced to make an impact to some. I thought people were just doing the whole 'nobody does in FT' again. I get it now.



The scene in itself was ok concept wise it´s the details that make it into a bad one.



Although crucifiction is severly ineffective in killing people and even can take untill a day till the convict dies through exhaustion or suffocation, it´s quite an effective torturing method, which seemed to be the theme of Bradman (The Grim Reapeer) who they supposedly lost too.They did not lose to Zeref.

But Mashima´s depiction if you´re familiar with the biology and physics behind crucifiction is just bad. They used no  no nails to crucify, but ropes instead and they are too tightly tied to be in hat much pain or grave danger. (That´s bondage level of torture at best). You can kill people with crucifiction only if done right.



It´s somewhat is solved through the fact that they all seem to be stabbed or pierced by something. But it´s dumb when they could have just used nails or more effective ties if torture and eventual death was their goal.



But the main issue with Mashima´s execution of the "crucifiction" to me was that they were looking under Jenny´s skirt to hammer in their "evilness". I do understand that it´s a Shounen manga and we won´t see rape or similar, not even implied because Sex seems to be such more taboo than death(although some characters get children), but what was the point of that scene.So people who "crucify" are dicks because they are horny and look under their captives skirts? Good job Mashima in distracting the audience from a threatening scene with fanservice.
 
  • #54
Welp, that's pretty brutal and somewhat dark. Didn't really expect them to be that barbaric lol



Wonder how Mavis' plan is gonna work out. It'll probably succeed but still. She having the curse and all
 
  • #55
G_Spark233 said:
Darklight0303 said:
G_Spark233 said:
The crucified scene is probably an illusions. Wouldn't make any sense if it wasn't.



It's not an illusion. >_>

You make a solid argument with a lot of good points.



You didn't make any better of an argument either. Plus dangling the defeated like that is a a great source of psychological warfare. =_=
 
  • #56
Incredible, and shocking chapters these past two. really been just mindblown me o.o

Natsu took out Jacob, Leaving August on the move, this might be bad. and other then that we got Neinhart (and simon??)vs Erza/Kagura/Jellal this might be a fascinating battle. but even that , Fucking Sabertooth and blue Pegasus got crucified  O.O looks bad
 
  • #57
Can't wait till Pegasus and Sabertooth get saved and yet again there are no consequences.Why are they not dead yet? Because Mashima, that's why.  :^)



This is what happens when the whole arc has been nothing but consequence-erasing bullshit - you see something like this and instead of going "OMG" you go "meh they will be fine in a second". This is the difference between brilliance of Tartaros arc and this bs. Tartaros made consequences believable. This on other hand just makes you go "just end this already".





Also Neinhart looks awful. He looked so badass as a silhouette, but when he was revealed? He was a disappointment. I guess that sums up this arc too - great promising hype followed by awful let down bullshit.

I guess that's another throw-away spriggan that will lose to some bullshit.





Overall boring and slow chapter with nothing of importance happening.



3/5. Thank god the Simon reveal was fake because if it was real I would have literally dropped the manga.
 
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