Fairy Tail Chapter 463 Discussion

Rex_Connor said:
Mallacy said:
Someone should give pathetic rex a Gray pillow he can hug.

Too bad his character acted smart while acts like a complete idiot.



Someone should give this retard a Natsu lollipop

Too bad Natsu is always an idiot, and is way below Gray in intelligence.

Hope Natsu gets his ass creamed by Zeref.



Go back to whatever hole you crawled out of you pathetic cunt.



Could you please stop? It's pathetic already. You like Gray, awesome, but don't shit on a character to make your favorite look good, not cool man. And people who do that, shame on them.

Finally, Natsu and Zeref face to face.

Darklight0303 said:
AllenNoah said:




Somehow I knew you'd say that.  Now here's a fun little exercise: Get a pencil and piece of paper and write down everyone in-universe that knows that Natsu is E.N.D.  It's easy to forget that as viewers we naturally get to know more than the characters within the story.



That is irrelevant to the point I am making. Doesn't matter who knows he's END. Natsu was CREATED with the purpose of defeating Zeref. So him naturally developing a move that could kill Zeref is much more believable, than a third party MIRACULOUSLY developing the perfect magic to counter END even though they have never met, seen, or fought said creature.



The most Silver can guarantee is that his magic is effective against Etherious beeings but that's not saying much given normal magic worked just fine in the end against the other Etherious as well. Heck he didn't even finish off Marde. Critically wound, yes but the one who actually killed Marde was Zeref.



Another key difference between END and the other demons. He was made with the body of Zeref's brother as the core. Unlike the Other Etherious who could be resurrected ad nauseum as long as they had those pods and the books were intact.



So again Silver's words about defeating END with his magic are nothing but baseless wishful thinking with no supporting evidence.



^

This.

Gray's revenge quest END obsession is unhealthy bullshit and I damn hope he gets called out on that and suffer for it.



But then again, they already decided to remove consequences for Gray's deus ex machina powerup so hey.



...

Actually the whole secret technique thing makes me think Mashima MIGHT set up the plot that Natsu actually got his memories back during timeskip(and it would explain Lucy's reaction to him in  the gmg before sh eknew it was him). It would muddy waters a lot in a good way if what we saw of Natsu post-timeskip is already END.

yaokitsme said:
"He was being worried for Natsu yet it is not what gray fanbois in this thread took from that scene. "Omg Gray was being reasonable and thought Natsu was stupid!"



Gray Fans are almost as bad as Slaine fans were in Aldnoah forums



You know what is upsetting? Gray not getting ANY consequences for a free power up and getting whitewashed for leaving Juvia without explanations to the point of her getting sick. That is what is upsetting."



yes you are right all gray fans know nothing except that he is the best developed character in the series and if you disagree you are wrong. gray meeting his dad after years thinking he was dead only to find out he was a zombie and died before his eyes clearly had no consequences (sarcasm) but natsu offscreen gaining a "1 shot zeref" skill is totally acceptable (laughable)



on topic: assuming this isnt the end id like this encounter to finally explain natsus age etc like during the laxus arc he couldnt get through freed's barrier



??? Why should gray suffer consequences ? It was given to him by his father, who would not do anything to harm him. And when de noticed something wrong he saw a doctor ab out it instead of hiding it. Its like you wish he did something stupid JSUT so. He would be punished for the sake of it. Natsu runs away and leaves everyone its okay, gray does it and its wrong?

trump54 said:
Raijin-sama619 said:
That escalated quickly.

The arc or the thread

If I had to choose I'd say both.



Rex_Connor said:
Well Natsu didn't suffer any side effects from eating Laxus's lightning tbh which is BS as it is. Natsu only got sick and was put cold after eating etherion when he transformed to DF Mode back in the TOH arc, iirc

I believe Erza said Natsu tried it once before Tenrou and got sick similar to when he ate Etherion.  I just figured there was a difference between being fed an element and eating an element, if that makes any sense.

metsujin said:
Sorry man gotta agree with AllenNoah. I mean you state that part with Igneel saying that the book should not be destoryed, but Gray DOESN'T KNOW THAT. The only one who knows is Natsu.



Why is Gray so keen on E.N.D? Pretty sure he knows he can't do shit to Zeref, but he does know that the Devil Slaying Magic works on his strongest creation, and as AllenNoah stated he's probably doing it because he doesn't want other to go through the same shit he went through.



Natsu told Gray that he was supposed to get that book to Igneel. IT was a job from HIS dad. THE DRAGON. The guy who has the most experience with END outside of Zeref. So yes he didn't know ALL the details but he did know that Igneel told Natsu to get him that BOOK. And he stubbornly and stupidly refused.



Look how Close to Natsu Gray is standing. THere's NO way he didn't hear Igneel



http://www.mangainn.me/manga/chapter/129579_fairy-tail-chapter-413/page_11



http://www.mangainn.me/manga/chapter/129579_fairy-tail-chapter-413/page_14



http://www.mangainn.me/manga/chapter/129579_fairy-tail-chapter-413/page_15



Look he was even there when Igneel YELLED at Natsu to GET the book. Did Gray look like he was going to give the book? Nope not in the least.



He only knows what his DAD told him. He has no guarantee whatsoever that Devil Slayer magic will harm END. Because like i have already said a billion times, all the information about END that Silver and even the majority of Tartaros had access to was hearsay. Second hand accounts at best. The only ones who do know the details about END are Zeref, Acnologia and Igneel so far.

Darklight0303 said:
It doesn't matter if Gray heard or didn't hear what Igneel told Natsu. First off Gray was there when Atlas Flame said that Igneel fought END 400 years ago but couldn't beat him. That alone gives Igneel more credence than some revived corpse who had nothing but second or third hand account knowledge of END. Someone who fought END VS Someone who only heard about END. It doesn't take a genius to figure out whose words are more valid.

Which is why Gray wanted to destroy the book before E.N.D. could be let out.



Darklight0303 said:
Gray was anything but reasonable at that point in time. He wasn't thinking straight in the least. His whole vendetta against END is nothing more than a stopgap measure to keep Gray somewhat relevant Or else he'd end up just as detached from the main plotline as Erza.

How so?  He seemed rather composed and reasonable.  "Here's Zeref's strongest demon.  Right now he's asleep in an easily destroyable book.  Let's destroy it before he wakes up."



Darklight0303 said:
First off END was sealed away hundreds of years before Deliora destroyed his village and killed his parents. IT wasn't like END ORDERED DEliora to do that. At most that would probably be Marde Geer's doing.

It's not that he blames E.N.D. for Deliora, he just doesn't want anymore destruction caused by Etherios Demons like he experienced.  Kinda like how Crime Sorcerie takes out Dark Guilds related to Zeref.



Darklight0303 said:
Second: The guarantee that Devil Slayer magic that Silver came up with can for sure take down END. On what basis? Silver was not around when END was active. He has never seen END in action, he has never fought END. And yet somehow this random magic can kill him. Zeref's finest creation for the purpose of killing him.



It's a joke and anyone buying into it literally is nothing more than a fool.



How is that any different from the people believing in Natsu's secret bandage weapon?  He's never actually fought Zeref and has no idea as to what his full abilities are, and yet somehow he developed a move that can in a year, possibly less.  Doesn't that sound just as ludicrous.

BlueBaegon said:
This was a good chapter. I feel like the fight between Natsu and Zeref is too soon, especially because it's it's supposed to be very climactic and they still have 11 spriggans and tons of foot soldiers to beat up.

*Queue 10 chapter break from the Zeref v Natsu fight* ;)



Darklight0303 said:
TheGrandSage23 said:
Good chapter(7/10) but god Erza annoys me now and Mavis is being punked by Zeref.



This time this has nothing to do with being a me being a Gray fanboy or not. So don't try to use that angle. Gray was right to second guess. Erza has Natsu's(second favorite character after Post TS Lucy) manhood firmly inside her and it's been that way for too long. Trying make Gray seem like he's in the wrong with her "high and mighty our faith is all that matters bs" then Mavis just comes along and agrees.. No mention of Natsu being too gung ho. And you wonder how Zeref is punking Mavis so easily? This was one of the problems FT had(fixed it after the GMG arc for the most part) that "faith and friendship" was all that mattered to win and not power or skill.



The reason why this situation is better handled is because we know that Natsu is one of the strongest characters in the FT verse and that his power has grown immensely. He was specifically created to end Zeref's life however the thing is that we(the audience) know this not the characters. If Gray knew what Natsu was he wouldn't second guess but instead have faith in Natsu for logical reasons. Instead of having blind faith like Erza or Mavis for no reason whatsoever



I might believe what you say if Gray had not explicitly mentioned the Book of END. You know the same thing he was so gung ho about destroying EVEN THOUGH THE FREAKING HUNDRED IF NOT THOUSAND YEAR DRAGON SAID NOT TO!

Gray heard Igneel say this when? Oh, that's right. Igneel only told Natsu that while they were a few hundred or thousand feet in the air. Gray could totally hear that, right guys?



I usually just sit around and read everyone's opinions instead of commenting, but you posted something that is logically impossible.