Fairy Tail Chapter 407 Discussion
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- #76
Excelent chapter.When Zeref said that either Natsu or E.N.D could reach him and the reason ("it would be a kill-joy") why he was avoiding Tartarus,I was sure that either Zeref created E.N.D to kill himself,or E.N.D and Mard were gonna rebel and murder him.Well,seems I was right and wrong.Oh well,I am satisfied.
I too am quite sure Natsu is E.N.D ...Zeref had an entire army of demons made to kill him,and chose Natsu to kill him,instead of E.N.D-his strongest demon?Also,when he said that of either one of them reaching him,it opens up the possibility of Natsu losing...which would conflict with what he said that only Natsu can kill him.
Zeref CURSED himself with immortality,eh?I wonder,did that guy intend to live a eternal hell?I wonder what happened in the past to make him hate not only people so much,but also himself.
Also,I don't think Zeref changed his mind.His plan to murder everyone is probably a ruse,so as to make Natsu and all guilds rally against him.Natsu wouldn't kill him otherwise.He wants to be murdered,this hasn't changed.But,I also feel that he wants to test Natsu,perhaps to see if he can slay Acnologia,so I don't think he will just give up his life without a fight.Of course,if Natsu fails,then he will progress with his plan.Maybe Zeref has some other ways of getting Acnologia killed or dealt with?Oh well,this is just speculation though.
Well,Igneel taught Natsu fire dragon slaying,and considering that Natsu can only fully master his magic by becoming third generation....he probably taught Natsu this magic so he could be killed by him.I doubt that Natsu has the balls to do it...and I doubt Acnologia will get his chance,something will get in the way.E.N.D could be the one to do it.This arc sure is promising.It's kinda a fusion of the king and Blue guardian's arcs from rave master...
Why would they rebel against Zeref? Since Mard says Zeref created the demons for one purpose only, and that's to kill him (though I'm still waiting for the mangastream scan). That's why the demons were created. Sure E.N.D could rebel by something like: Zeref: "Kill me E.N.D"
E.N.D: "Huh? No. Fuck you, I've been stuck in that book for centuries. You know, it's always about you isn't it.. I just can't. I'm out. #YOLO"
- #78
Natsu has always been my favorite character, and I always didn't like Gray. Now that Natsu is pretty much useless and Gray cleans his own mess, I am kind of uninterested. Though Natsu will have his fair chance in battle later on, that is for damn sure. I just hope something changes.
No worries. He'll likely return to his original form of END and wasteland everything before running off or being brought back to his senses.
- #79
GrayFTMage said:
Saying it wouldn't be permanent would be like saying Aquarius empowered Lucy isn't permanent. You're just sounding really bitter and pathetic right now. Grow up darklight :)
Stop being so fucking salty.
HIlarious thing is his example is evidence against his stance since A: Lucy's Tattoo is already gone and she hasn't shown any water powers since. So as far as we know so far IT's already gone.
- #80
WHy is everyone obsessed with Natsu becoming END? There is no clue what will happen. My best bet is what Mard said. END is in the book. And now we know why he couldn't release him before, why he needed Face for it. But that doesn't mean Natsu is End.
You really need it to be spelled out huh?
Okay let me put it in big bold letters for you.
Exhibit A: END is a fire demon that Igneel, the KING of fire Dragons was unable to defeat in battle.
Exhibit B: END and all of the Demons of Zeref were made to kill Zeref.
Exhibit C: Back on Tenrou, Zeref said the Following about Natsu: "You've grown, Natsu" "Natsu is the only one who can Destroy me." "Not yet. Not Yet. Natsu still can't destroy me"
Exhibit D: Only Natsu or END will be able to meet with Zeref.
- #81
Darklight0303 said:
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WHy is everyone obsessed with Natsu becoming END? There is no clue what will happen. My best bet is what Mard said. END is in the book. And now we know why he couldn't release him before, why he needed Face for it. But that doesn't mean Natsu is End.
You really need it to be spelled out huh?
Okay let me put it in big bold letters for you.
Exhibit A: END is a fire demon that Igneel, the KING of fire Dragons was unable to defeat in battle.
Exhibit B: END and all of the Demons of Zeref were made to kill Zeref.
Exhibit C: Back on Tenrou, Zeref said the Following about Natsu: "You've grown, Natsu" "Natsu is the only one who can Destroy me." "Not yet. Not Yet. Natsu still can't destroy me"
Exhibit D: Only Natsu or END will be able to meet with Zeref.
And i think there is more to it than that.
And if Zeref want to die, why is he "hoping" that Natsu will be the one not END.
Yes, i remember all of that. But we don't know what happened in the past 400 years with Zeref.
-Exhibit A: Jsut because Igneel is the king of fire dragons, that doesn't mean, END the strongest demon is weaker than him.
My speculation is, 400 years ago, during their battle, Igneel almost died. And someone sealed END away in the book.
Dragons are immune to magic other than dragon slayer plus Igneel would eat fire magic and turn it into his own power. I never said END was weaker than Igneel. However Igneel couldn't defeat him in a straight up fight. So he sealed and SPLIT END. The character and full power of END went into the book. The body, the blank slate that was left behind was taken in by Igneel who raised it into who Natsu is now. There's MY theory
I get your theory. What i don't get, if END is so bad thing, why didn't Igneel put the book away somewhere safe, where no one can find it?
And other than that, Igneel could have killed the blank body. So that's why i say it: There is more to it than that. And i assume we will find out during the next 2 chapters.
Killing the blank body would potentially just let the spirit get a new one. Whereas if he could foster and raise the vessel into something that could actually TAKE ENDS power from him since it WAS the original vessel, that would be the best way to beat him. He couldn't destroy it. That much is fact from what we heard from Atlas.
Maybe, If the book gets destroyed, END will die too, because otherwise, Mard would just destroyed the book to release him. So that means, the seal magic not just keep END sealed, but hold the book together. So if Igneel swallowed it or something, it would still be in one piece.
And my only problem with your theory is, why did it took 400 years for Natsu to get strong? I mean, he became stronger in the past 1-2 years than in the past 400? And during the time he joined FT he aged perfectly with the others, but he didn't during 400 years? Maybe he was under some magic.
A second seal or spell could have been involved. Something definitely happened that required Igneel to make his new home inside Natsu of all places as well as send the other surviving dragons into hiding.