Vampire Knight Chapter 54 Discussion

  • #50
ooof...



Ok... come on, everyone has just got to see how warped Kaname is with Yuuki...



I can enjoy a good oniisama story with the best of them, but it looks like that guy has spent the last year reducing Yuuki to emotional jelly with forced seclusion and over-bearing "concern" and she's gone along with it (which doesn't make me a Yuuki fan any longer)...



Masochistic fans of Kaname are irksome.
 
  • #51
Cenedess said:
Aeterna said:


KainxRuka? D:

Huh? D: Ruka wanted Kaname...

She did, but now that Kaname is with Yuuki, she seems to have her head back on her shoulders and sees that Kaname has never and never will reciprocate her feelings. And, there's no denying that KainxRuka is a very possible relationship in the series, one that I will fully support xD



ah_18 said:
GothicQueen said:
ah_18 said:
Btw, why does Sara (and Shizuka) have another lastname although she is a pureblood? Maybe it's a stupid question, but still, if anybody cares to explain?

There isn't only one Pureblood family^^

There are more, that's why they have different last names^^

I know there are several families yet.. Aren't purebloods meant to have intersibling marriages, 'cause even though Shiki has a pureblood father, he is considered only a noble. It just got me thinking why not all purebloods are Kurans, if the first vampire ever was a Kuran and then they had sibling marriages. Were more vampires created afterwards, without the first ancestor to bite them, but by own (some weird) means like it happened for the first one? Maybe we'll find out later.

I'm gonna have to pull out my manga for this because I don't remember which chapter they explained the ancestry in (however briefly), but I don't have my manga with me right now ^^;;



I guess, eventually, they'd have to come up with different family names? I mean, if everyone had the family name of Kuran, then it would defeat the purpose of a family name, wouldn't it? xD But, yeah, I don't remember if the Kurans are the true ancestors of all vampires or if they were just the chosen royalty. Or both oO;;



In any case, pureblood siblings don't always marry each other. I assume that they have some choice in the matter, if they can. For example, Ridou was the eldest of the Kuran children, if I remember right, but Juuri seemed to have went with Haruka instead, while Ridou was engaged to Shizuka (I have a feeling neither of them were happy about it, though). Moreover, no one mentioned anyone else from the Hiou clan, so perhaps Ridou would have married into that clan rather than Shizuka marrying into the Kuran clan (as in, Ridou would take the Hiou name to preserve it)? This is purely speculative, however ^^;;



DrHouse said:
I'm not sure what you mean but I do agree with you that Yuki needs to change. Yuki has always been completely useless. Even from the very start when she got into a confrontation with Aido trying to protect a couple of students. Instead of whacking him with her electrostaff or at least kicking him she just gives up without a fight and lets him bite her until Zero shows up and saves her. Even with Zero she rarely ever made even a snarky comment when he acted like a complete jerk to her. Her helplessness even reached an absurd level when she couldn't even ask Kaname a question much less get him to answer without Zero's help.



At least now that she's acknowledged how pathetic she acts maybe she can change something. That's what I was hoping becoming a vampire and no longer being kept in the dark would do to her when she got a gigantic scythe and weird vampire superpowers. But it appears she is surpressing her inner vampire so she's still just as wimpy as before.

I know what you mean. Yuuki has never been my favourite character, but even so, I liked her personality better before, even if it still made her useless. Before, she showed a wide range of emotions - happiness, anger, sadness, etc. - but now, she just has these big, sad eyes all the time and it aggravates me to no end. I said this before in another discussion, but I'll say it again: I think Hino-sensei is trying to give Yuuki an aura of vampiric beauty, but as a result, she's looking like a long-haired, bigger-eyed version of Kaname.



Even before Yuuki's change to a Pureblood, at least she tried to do things for herself, such as supporting Zero as a vampire, defending Zero from Yagari, trying to confront her past, etc. Ever since the end of the Ridou arc, however, Yuuki hasn't really done much of anything except mope around and be treated like a princess (which she technically is, but even so, she can't even do her own toenails..?!)
 
  • #52
Aeterna said:
I know what you mean. Yuuki has never been my favourite character, but even so, I liked her personality better before, even if it still made her useless. Before, she showed a wide range of emotions - happiness, anger, sadness, etc. - but now, she just has these big, sad eyes all the time and it aggravates me to no end. I said this before in another discussion, but I'll say it again: I think Hino-sensei is trying to give Yuuki an aura of vampiric beauty, but as a result, she's looking like a long-haired, bigger-eyed version of Kaname.



Again, I blame the love triangle. It's the cause of most of Yuuki's reasons for always being depressed: She feels guilty for still loving Zero and therefore wants to punish herself, she is constantly starving because she needs Zero's blood, she is trying to keep her inner vampire surpressed so that there might be some chance that Zero might stop hating her, she feels guilty for having unintentionally lied to Zero for the past 4 years and Zero's wants to kill her. I know that getting rid of the love triangle wouldn't completely eliminate all of those problems but I think it might at least make Yuki less angsty.



A YorixZero pairing would get rid of all five of those problems but only if Yuuki has the decency to not love her best friend's boyfriend. I think that Hino has developed Yuki's character to the point where her having the revelation that you can't always get what you want would be at least plausible.



Aeterna said:
Even before Yuuki's change to a Pureblood, at least she tried to do things for herself, such as supporting Zero as a vampire, defending Zero from Yagari, trying to confront her past, etc. Ever since the end of the Ridou arc, however, Yuuki hasn't really done much of anything except mope around and be treated like a princess (which she technically is, but even so, she can't even do her own toenails..?!)



To be fair to Yuuki she has been learning etiquette and diplomacy from Aido for the past year. Half of this chapter was devoted to explaining why she needed to be able to appear capable to the vampire nobles. I was pleasantly surprised when she actually did not screw everything up at the ball as she has done almost 100% percent of the time in the past. I think she did very well considering how creepy they were being. She also managed to diffuse the potentially very dangerous situation between Zero and Sara even though Yori was the center of it and she probably wanted to side with Zero. All the nobles were watching and commenting on how she handled the situation so her siding with Zero would have been a very bad idea.



I think the new Yuki is an improvement except for the increase in angst. Actually I thought her overcheerfulness before clashed with the setting of VK too much but new Yuki is overcompensating. I'm also disappointed because Kaname still has not told her much at all about what his plan is and she still cannot protect herself despite being a pureblood. I'm hoping that Hino may choose to continue going towards changing that but it'll never happen if Zeki fans get their way.
 
  • #53
I rated it a 5 'cause of a) Zero shoving Yuuki's annoying nothing-has-changed gesture and b) Zero looks great (as always).



Oh and a bit more of Aidou and Kain! ;__; Missin' that crew. *holds tightly Takuma, Shiki and Rima in fear of Sara havin' done somethin'*



Somehow I got myself thinking "could it be Sara ain't really that evil?" her facial expressions when hearing about that other pureblood, I couldn't understand. xD



This whole pureblood vs less pure vampires society thingie makes me slightly annoyed. The almighty and "good" intentioned pureblood royalties are only victims of the vampires who yearn for power. *cough* That THEY created from beginning on.

I know Hakura and Juuri were pretty much shown as the ultimate good guys, but is this really it. Do not the royalties have dark pasts themselves? Are only the vampires yearning for power, are they the only ones at fault here? I wanna know if the purebloods really are goin' to be shown as the "pure" ones, or if it's something dark hidden.

If anyone knows what I mean. -__-
 
  • #54
Aeterna said:


KainxRuka? D:

Huh? D: Ruka wanted Kaname...



ahin said:
Cenedess said:
I see great potential in YorixZero. I have spoken.



PLEASE LET IT BE YORIxZERO IN THE END.





Amen to that :D

(Though, I like the idea of AidouxYori too. 8D)



Wouldn't be bad either 8D
 
  • #55
Yuuki has become too cold for my liking -.- I liked her a lot better before =/

I knew Zero would do something like shoving Yuuki's hand off xD (I think Yuuki knew that too…)

Yori was the best in this chapter XD I really like her! :D And of course Aidou and the others,too <3

I thought Sara has killed this other pureblood,hasn't she? Oo And Kaname won't die on us this easily (don't know if this is good or bad,though ;P)



I really want to know what Yori and Yuuki and Kaname and Sara will talk about. >.<
 
  • #56
Hmm...yet another set up chapter, although this chapter did have its useful information.



Psh, serves Yuuki straight.  Trying to act like nothing happened between her and Zero.  I'm happy Zero shoved her off like she was nothing (well, of course she isn't), but I'm sure Zero wants no part do with Yuuki at the moment.  Of course, I want Zero to cock his gun to every vampire and shoot them in mercilessly, but that's more of a personal dream.  Hehe.



Anyway, with all this talk about the other vampires attacking purebloods and vampires having a fresh scent of blood on them, it makes it likely that something outrageous is going to happen by the end of this ball.  And I'm also interested in seeing Sara and Kaname talk.
 
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