Vampire Knight Chapter 54 Discussion

I'm curious now...What did Kaname want to talk about with Sara?  And what will happen with Yuuki in the drawing room?



I feel bad for Yuuki...she doesn't seem like the type who should be a pureblood...idk...those other vampires were treating her kinda coldly.

GothicQueen said:
ah_18 said:
It's not like that GothicQueen. I dare to say that I and Aeterna are making attempts to understand the plot better, and it's good some do try to explain it from more angles, like DrHouse. I'ts not all about Kaname. :)



I know. And I never said that (:

You did imply we "were subjective due to our dislike/hate whatever" towards Kaname. Although it was about all purebloods vs less pures. But anyways, it's not even an issue, I'm a Zero-supporter and I have my dislike for Kaname, but it was this typical cliché (for me personally) that I talked about in my previous post (#28, piece 3) that makes me twitch.



GothicQueen said:
ah_18 said:
Btw, why does Sara (and Shizuka) have another lastname although she is a pureblood? Maybe it's a stupid question, but still, if anybody cares to explain?

There isn't only one Pureblood family^^

There are more, that's why they have different last names^^

I know there are several families yet.. Aren't purebloods meant to have intersibling marriages, 'cause even though Shiki has a pureblood father, he is considered only a noble. It just got me thinking why not all purebloods are Kurans, if the first vampire ever was a Kuran and then they had sibling marriages. Were more vampires created afterwards, without the first ancestor to bite them, but by own (some weird) means like it happened for the first one? Maybe we'll find out later.

gotta love zero for being the way he is. i was like "GO ZERO~!" when he quickly got rid of yuuki's hand. you know what, i am determined to wish that yuuki winds up alone because now i beyond know that zero deserves much, much better. so, let's all watch yuuki pine for zero, shall we? and have HER heart crushed =D

Aeterna said:
ah_18 said:
This whole pureblood vs less pure vampires society thingie makes me slightly annoyed. The almighty and "good" intentioned pureblood royalties are only victims of the vampires who yearn for power. *cough* That THEY created from beginning on.

I know Hakura and Juuri were pretty much shown as the ultimate good guys, but is this really it. Do not the royalties have dark pasts themselves? Are only the vampires yearning for power, are they the only ones at fault here? I wanna know if the purebloods really are goin' to be shown as the "pure" ones, or if it's something dark hidden.

If anyone knows what I mean. -__-

I think I know what you mean.



I liked various aspects of this chapter, but the whole Purebloods v.s. Power-hungry nobles part annoyed me just a bit. It almost felt like Hino-sensei wanted to play the sympathy card, to get us to like Kaname and Yuuki because they appear to be the ultimate victims in the drama that is Vampire Knight. Don't get me wrong - they are victims, but as ah_18 pointed out, don't the Kurans have dark pasts, as well? The whole "the nobles are out to get us" bit seemed to be an attempt to justify Kaname's actions in the past (e.g. massacring the Genrouin). Moreover, if there are vampires who are as loyal to Kaname as Aidou, Ruka, and Kain, it seems a bit weird to see just those vampires who are the opposite, almost as if it's just "black and white" with no in-between shades of grey.



In any case, I hope Hino-sensei delves more into that, because if it's as simple as that, then I'd be very disappointed.



I was going to write a very long reply to this, but I don't wanna bug anyone.

So I'll just say that in my opinion, you just dislike/hate/whatever Kaname and that's why you're being subjective, and not thinking it through...

(no offence or anything Oo)

Heh Zero <3 should have shot a vampire or yuuki haha.

Hm.  I guess I expected Zero and Yuuki's reunion to be a bit more dramatic.  Okay chapter, though.  Who was the other pureblood they were talking about?

Lumi-chan said:
Cenedess said:
I see great potential in YorixZero. I have spoken.



PLEASE LET IT BE YORIxZERO IN THE END.

Since Yuuki left that I see a whole lot of potencial in those two.. x3

I actually believe it's the only couple I'm really rooting for.



Same here. Rima(or what's her face)xSenri somehow doesn't make me squeal, YuukixKaname simply squicks me to no end, and the rest...I don't think there are any more o.O

Cenedess said:
I see great potential in YorixZero. I have spoken.



PLEASE LET IT BE YORIxZERO IN THE END.





Amen to that :D

(Though, I like the idea of AidouxYori too. 8D)

Kamadaki said:
Damn straight, he shoved that dirty, pureblood, incest ridden hand off.



Bitch.



Zero was full of hawt though.



Hell yeah!  I used to like Yuuki a lot but meh, she's just straight up annoying now.  She's basically Kaname's obedient little bitch.  Although, I still hope she realizes Kaname's a douche by the end of the manga and get back with Zero.  I wouldn't mind the whole ZeroxYori pairing though either.



And I totally agree on KainxRuka, you can tell he's totally in love with her or at least cares deeply for her.  I hope to god they get together, I feel bad for Ruka.

Akarei said:
Aureole said:
Sara is going to try to kill Kaname!! Banzai!!

She should kill Yuki first. I'd love to see her die.





That. XDDDDD

Cenedess said:
I see great potential in YorixZero. I have spoken.



PLEASE LET IT BE YORIxZERO IN THE END.

Since Yuuki left that I see a whole lot of potencial in those two.. x3

I actually believe it's the only couple I'm really rooting for.

Cenedess said:
Same here. Rima(or what's her face)xSenri somehow doesn't make me squeal, YuukixKaname simply squicks me to no end, and the rest...I don't think there are any more o.O

KainxRuka? D:



GothicQueen said:
Aeterna said:
The whole "the nobles are out to get us" bit seemed to be an attempt to justify Kaname's actions in the past (e.g. massacring the Genrouin).

Hm, no, not really. You can never justify murder, but every big change was followed by a bloodshed.

There's no way that he could actually make a difference If any of them was left alive. It might sound cruel, but that's they way it is. :(



(I would normally never support that, but none of this is real anyway so...XD)



However.

I'm not trying to make you sympathize with Kaname just cause I do. That wasn't my point. I' always trying to be objective and see the situation from every point of view (just cause I won't post some of It, doesn't mean that I can't see it XD)

I was using the Genrouin massacre as an example (that Kaname's actions are seemingly justified by his situation related to the power-hungry nobles we saw in this chapter), but in any case, I'm not so sure how limited Kaname was in his choices but there probably were other options other than simply killing the Genrouin. But, then again, I don't have a very intimate view of the world of VK - I can only comment on what Hino-sensei chooses to show us of her world - so it's a bit hard to argue on ^^