Vampire Knight Chapter 54 Discussion

Yuppie!!



Sara is going to try to kill Kaname!! Banzai!!



Finally some action <3 <3

GothicQueen said:
AoiMemori said:
so, let's all watch yuuki pine for zero, shall we?

Erm....no.

Cause that would make Kaname suffer too... :(





yeah... couldn't care less about kaname. so if he suffers too, all the better =D

ah_18 said:
This whole pureblood vs less pure vampires society thingie makes me slightly annoyed. The almighty and "good" intentioned pureblood royalties are only victims of the vampires who yearn for power. *cough* That THEY created from beginning on.

I know Hakura and Juuri were pretty much shown as the ultimate good guys, but is this really it. Do not the royalties have dark pasts themselves? Are only the vampires yearning for power, are they the only ones at fault here? I wanna know if the purebloods really are goin' to be shown as the "pure" ones, or if it's something dark hidden.

If anyone knows what I mean. -__-

I think I know what you mean.



I liked various aspects of this chapter, but the whole Purebloods v.s. Power-hungry nobles part annoyed me just a bit. It almost felt like Hino-sensei wanted to play the sympathy card, to get us to like Kaname and Yuuki because they appear to be the ultimate victims in the drama that is Vampire Knight. Don't get me wrong - they are victims, but as ah_18 pointed out, don't the Kurans have dark pasts, as well? The whole "the nobles are out to get us" bit seemed to be an attempt to justify Kaname's actions in the past (e.g. massacring the Genrouin). Moreover, if there are vampires who are as loyal to Kaname as Aidou, Ruka, and Kain, it seems a bit weird to see just those vampires who are the opposite, almost as if it's just "black and white" with no in-between shades of grey.



In any case, I hope Hino-sensei delves more into that, because if it's as simple as that, then I'd be very disappointed.



Well, I'm rambling a bit. For the chapter as a whole, I rather liked it, but as others have said, it was mostly a build-up chapter. I have a feeling hell will break loose soon enough, so I'm looking forward to that. As always, Sara was amazing being her creepy, smiling self. I like her subtlety a lot more than the more obvious creepiness of the nobles shown in this chapter. I loved Zero, as well, mostly because of the little things he did in this chapter as much as the big things - it's obvious he's conflicted about so many things in this situation, and it rather suits his character. I'm a little ambivalent about Yori. I don't know if I should admire her for her courage or be baffled at her cluelessness of the danger of her situation. I feel like Yori is being used by Hino-sensei as much as Kaito as a means to advance the plot rather than Yori developing as a character for her own sake.



Oh well, we'll see what happens, I guess. I might be over-thinking things =/

um... I don't think Sara is going to try and kill Kaname XDD Zero and Yuki are bound to have another interaction. Yuki was so effing annoying this chapter -___-;



I was like "WHOOT go Zero<3"



geez Yuki, if you still feel something for Zero then that means you chose the wrong person XDD

That second pureblood who was there... Disappeared and left only the scent of blood.



Yuuki felf different kinda blood around Sara-sama...



Kaname wants Yuuki to be away from him when he "talks" to Sara...



Yup, 2+2=4, Sara is planning to kill Kaname.

I think we'll have #1 Hero moment and Zero'll decide to help Yuuki protect Kaname.... For damn Yuuki's sake of course...

*fangirl mind still making new scenario*

Hm, other pureblood vampire was last seen in the drawing room, where Yuuki is now? Not good.

ah_18 said:
It's not like that GothicQueen. I dare to say that I and Aeterna are making attempts to understand the plot better, and it's good some do try to explain it from more angles, like DrHouse. I'ts not all about Kaname. :)



I know. And I never said that (:

But I still think that you should think about it a bit more, and maybe compare it to the real world.

(I know, It's fiction, and they are all vampires, but what I'm saying is, people tend to hate whoever is better than them in some way. And (some kind of) power was always the cause of wars and stuff in the reality. And about that "purebloods being great and other vampires being evil" thingy... Just look at Rido and Shizuka... :/  XD So yeah, everyone can't be the same. There are always "good" and "bad" ppl. But a person can't be all perfect. Everyone has a darker side to themselves, and It's the decision whether they will or will not show it that counts (omb, I'm so full of cr*p...Oo))

Aeternap said:
The whole "the nobles are out to get us" bit seemed to be an attempt to justify Kaname's actions in the past (e.g. massacring the Genrouin).

Hm, no, not really. You can never justify murder, but every big change was followed by a bloodshed.

There's no way that he could actually make a difference If any of them was left alive. It might sound cruel, but that's they way it is. :(



(I would normally never support that, but none of this is real anyway so...XD)







However.

I'm not trying to make you sympathize with Kaname just cause I do. That wasn't my point. I' always trying to be objective and see the situation from every point of view (just cause I won't post some of It, doesn't mean that I can't see it XD)



ah_18 said:
Btw, why does Sara (and Shizuka) have another lastname although she is a pureblood? Maybe it's a stupid question, but still, if anybody cares to explain?

There isn't only one Pureblood family^^

There are more, that's why they have different last names^^

Aeterna said:


I liked various aspects of this chapter, but the whole Purebloods v.s. Power-hungry nobles part annoyed me just a bit. It almost felt like Hino-sensei wanted to play the sympathy card, to get us to like Kaname and Yuuki because they appear to be the ultimate victims in the drama that is Vampire Knight. Don't get me wrong - they are victims, but as ah_18 pointed out, don't the Kurans have dark pasts, as well? The whole "the nobles are out to get us" bit seemed to be an attempt to justify Kaname's actions in the past (e.g. massacring the Genrouin). Moreover, if there are vampires who are as loyal to Kaname as Aidou, Ruka, and Kain, it seems a bit weird to see just those vampires who are the opposite, almost as if it's just "black and white" with no in-between shades of grey.





lol, I'm not really sure how you can possibly say that things are black and white in VK morally speaking because all I see are shades of gray. I can sort of understand how you could say that this chapter has been unfairly biased against the noble vampires but Kaname's night class noble vampires weren't evil so obviously Kaname is making a generalization so Yuki will keep her guard up. Your also forgeting that the first vampire that wanted to drain Yuki was Rido who was a pureblood and he also drained other vampires as well. The only reason Yuki and Kaname don't want to drink the vampire nobles blood is because they would rather have each others blood. Yagari even mentioned that even the humans wanted to drink the night classes blood so they could would get their longevity.



What I could see is you mistaking the two different sides as being good and evil. But of course there are vampires of all levels and even vampire hunters on both the royalist and genrounist sides too so you can't divide them that way. The royalists can't even claim the moral high ground because Kaname is so manipulative and generally has to use a lot of underhanded tactics to gain pawns to use in his game. He also severely sets back the chairmans attempt to get peace between humans and vampires. Not to mention that it is also pointed out several times that by destroying the council he has unleashed all the vampires it previously had kept in check on the humans. Really the two sides are much more of a them vs us than a good vs evil.



dury said:


I can enjoy a good oniisama story with the best of them, but it looks like that guy has spent the last year reducing Yuuki to emotional jelly with forced seclusion and over-bearing "concern" and she's gone along with it (which doesn't make me a Yuuki fan any longer)...



Masochistic fans of Kaname are irksome.



And this is an excellent example of why a chapter to cause readers to sympathize with Kaname and Yuki is necessary. The past 5 chapters or so have been mostly devoted to demonizing Kaname and Yuki for accepting him and also for both of them wanting to exsanguinate the other. Also I'm not sure why Dury picked the chapter in which it is explained why letting Yuki near other vampires might be bad for her health to criticise Kaname for keeping her secluded. Personally I like Kaname because even if half of the other charaters all died at the same time (including Yuki AND Zero) the plot could still move forward fairly easily. In fact I'm half hoping that happens very soon because this stupid love triangle which I thought had been taken care of 8 chapters ago when Zero told Yuki that he would kill her D:< is starting to get boring and stale.