Gunslinger Girl Chapter 100 Discussion

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  • #18
a1oner said:
What makes you so sure she didn't suffer, wasn't kia or, in your own words, torn into pieces in another mission/experiment she was likely used for prior to the skip?



Anyway, glad to see this one wrap up nicely. Seeing a photo of Rico on Jean's desk gave me the impression-- a slight glimmer of hope (as the finale would have it)-- that even if she did went through the same shit as either Henrietta or Triela during her last months/year, at least she had Jean to share and ease her suffering even by a bit.



As for Claes, I can only hope she went as peacefully as I imagined Rico did. Rest well and farewell, dear angels.



Well, it's certainly possible she did end up that way, but I really find it hard to believe the author who loves so much to hurt the readers by making us see all these things go down would skip out on that. Plus there wasn't even a slight hint to anything like that for either her or Claes.



Claes would still be stuck at base anyway, so chances are she died from health issues at a young age due to all the issues from their conditioning and memory wiping. Rico could have gone the same way or in combat. I'm sure both ended up not really suffering though or they'd probably get some mention of it for the reader. Plus, Jean cared about Rico way too much to let her get fucked up and not end up dead himself trying to protect her if you ask me. That also applies to the experiment part - Rico was never used in experiments, especially because the entire reason she's there is due to her body not working - and thanks to no memory wipe that'd be probably the most godawful thing they could do to her (messing with her body) and I doubt Jean or really anyone would let them.
 
  • #19
Pretty good manga from start to finish. I wish the anime would of done justice and adapted the remaining chapters for its second season rather than what it went with.



Petra turned out to be one of my favorite characters fro this series. The chemistry between her and Alessandro was realistic and showed a different side of what cyborgs are capable of. Hmm, the ending was alright, wasn't too strong though imo but it had the right message. Still, this was quite a journey in the end. Really loved the depiction of its themes, characters, setting, and thought provoking story. 8/10.
 
  • #20
Evangeliman said:
mapperky said:
Also, that last page in the epilogue really says so much if you think about it. In it's conclusion, we see the similarities between Cleas and Jean. There personalities couldn't be more different, but there the same in the way that they both ended up in the same place. There the only surviving members of their "Platoon" per say. In the end, after Jean's revenge has been taken, and all of the cyborgs have reached the inevitable end of their lifespan, they both just wander the boat alone, having lost all their friends to the war. Almost like ghosts upon the ship. Claes is to die soon, and Jean has no purpose anymore, so in all likelihood, he is to die soon as well from suicide (Forget about hopey changey final chapter). Jean's first line when he wakes up after the battle was "So I failed to die again". All Jean wanted was to fulfill his purpose and then die. Rico gave him a purpose, but when she died, I suspect he was only waiting for all the cyborgs to die off to kill himself, because it was something he was still "Needed" for, in his mind.



Claes's last line holds buckets full of meaning. She states that she can see the back of a man walking towards the sun, which isn't just a final pretty sounding line to end the manga on, it means her memories are returning. This last line is simply the reminder that, just like the other cyborgs, Cleas is gonna die soon. It's bittersweet though. She says the line fondly, as if she would be happy to be able to meet the man once more, but it also means that Claes is gonna die soon.



The manga uses the metaphor of "Fantasma" and "Ghost" a lot. I think the ending was a reflection on the concept of fantasma. Throughout the manga, we see most of the characters have lost loved ones who still influence what they do in present day. It seems that whenever a person dies, everyone still has their unfinished buisness with them, and things are left unresolved because of their death. When Enrica died, he idea and memory haunted Jean and Jose for the rest of their lives. The doctor's memory haunted Hilshire for the rest of his, and infuenced how he acted in his present day, and to Triella. But in the end, when we see everybody die, it gives a more grim look at this metaphor. The agency is but a fantasma now, and all the cyborgs who died are as well. In the epilogue, I get an overwhelming feeling, reminding me that Hanrietta, Triella, Jose, Hilshire, are not here any more. That may sound obvious, but the epilogue really makes me feel the weight of that. All the remaining members of the agency wandering around the boat, a fair amount of them just waiting for death, it feels like all the previous chapters never happened. Like all they were was a distant memory for all the characters, or a fairytale, or a fantasma. Usually I don't like it when a story wraps up with a summary of what happens to everyone in a monologue, but I think it really worked in this. In the mono, Claes just says what happened to them, and you just feel like, "They died, they just died, that's all". We just see everyone fades into a fantasma for all who still remain alive, but we know that in not long all of those people will be fantasma as well, and before you know it, there will be no one around to remember any of them, because that is how death works.



But in the end, it's more bittersweet that overwhelmingly sad alone. Cleas's last line, we see her say it fondly, almost as if she is happy about the memories returning. I think both Rico and Petra were happy in the end. Even though death was coming, they just peacefully lived out their final days with their handlers. Almost how you might see an elderly couple that has done everything they want to, and all the excitement in their life is over, and they just bitter sweetly spend their days together until they die.



I have a feeling that the last year with Rico was a very impactful one for Jean. With nothing more to do, and no more jobs for Rico, his "Tool", to fix, he has to start treating her as a normal girl. I feel that in this final year, Jean finally got to learn who Rico was as a person, and learned to see her as such, rather than as a tool. And after throwing her into the line of fire over and over again for years, I imagine that he is called to reevaluate the price of his revenge. Cause in the end he got it, but he lost his brother, and so many other lives. Now, seeing Rico as a person, and possibly enjoying the time he spends with her, he thinks about what it would be like if Rico had died in the fight, and he realizes he doesn't want to be without her.



I think he truly learned the value of a life in this final year. This is of course my speculation, but it's a feeling that the manga gave me. I could keep talking about Gunslinger Girl for hours, so I'm gonna leave it off here. If anyone wants t discuss though, please reply. I'd love to get into a discussion about the manga with another fan who loves the series as much as I do.



Can you send me a link to all this stuff you talk about? The scanlation I read made no mention of any boat, nor did it have a monlogoe by Claes or a shot of Claes and Jean together. I think it may br missing a few pages or chapters





Sorry dude, I read the psychical copies so I don't know where to find it online. Just make sure you finished it all, cause there's one more volume after the omnibus's end. Volume 15. It's not included in any of the collections, only as an individual volume. It wraps up the series perfectly. Just don't read the very last chapter, stop after the Epilogue. It's a perfect conclusion, and the last chapter messes it up.



There are also 100 chapters in total, just so you can reference how far you read in the series.
 
  • #21
Wow!  I really LOVED the manga.  I wish the anime would pick up again now that the manga is finished.  I would love to see Sandro and Petra in motion.  I enjoyed reading every chapter they were in...no matter how brief the appearance.



I suspect Rico is probably still alive.  After all, she never had her mind altered...just her body.  I believe in one of the chapters, the doctor stated that they can replace body parts, but it's actually the mind that gives out because of all the conditioning.
 
  • #22
Evangeliman said:
mapperky said:
Evangeliman said:
mapperky said:
Also, that last page in the epilogue really says so much if you think about it. In it's conclusion, we see the similarities between Cleas and Jean. There personalities couldn't be more different, but there the same in the way that they both ended up in the same place. There the only surviving members of their "Platoon" per say. In the end, after Jean's revenge has been taken, and all of the cyborgs have reached the inevitable end of their lifespan, they both just wander the boat alone, having lost all their friends to the war. Almost like ghosts upon the ship. Claes is to die soon, and Jean has no purpose anymore, so in all likelihood, he is to die soon as well from suicide (Forget about hopey changey final chapter). Jean's first line when he wakes up after the battle was "So I failed to die again". All Jean wanted was to fulfill his purpose and then die. Rico gave him a purpose, but when she died, I suspect he was only waiting for all the cyborgs to die off to kill himself, because it was something he was still "Needed" for, in his mind.



Claes's last line holds buckets full of meaning. She states that she can see the back of a man walking towards the sun, which isn't just a final pretty sounding line to end the manga on, it means her memories are returning. This last line is simply the reminder that, just like the other cyborgs, Cleas is gonna die soon. It's bittersweet though. She says the line fondly, as if she would be happy to be able to meet the man once more, but it also means that Claes is gonna die soon.



The manga uses the metaphor of "Fantasma" and "Ghost" a lot. I think the ending was a reflection on the concept of fantasma. Throughout the manga, we see most of the characters have lost loved ones who still influence what they do in present day. It seems that whenever a person dies, everyone still has their unfinished buisness with them, and things are left unresolved because of their death. When Enrica died, he idea and memory haunted Jean and Jose for the rest of their lives. The doctor's memory haunted Hilshire for the rest of his, and infuenced how he acted in his present day, and to Triella. But in the end, when we see everybody die, it gives a more grim look at this metaphor. The agency is but a fantasma now, and all the cyborgs who died are as well. In the epilogue, I get an overwhelming feeling, reminding me that Hanrietta, Triella, Jose, Hilshire, are not here any more. That may sound obvious, but the epilogue really makes me feel the weight of that. All the remaining members of the agency wandering around the boat, a fair amount of them just waiting for death, it feels like all the previous chapters never happened. Like all they were was a distant memory for all the characters, or a fairytale, or a fantasma. Usually I don't like it when a story wraps up with a summary of what happens to everyone in a monologue, but I think it really worked in this. In the mono, Claes just says what happened to them, and you just feel like, "They died, they just died, that's all". We just see everyone fades into a fantasma for all who still remain alive, but we know that in not long all of those people will be fantasma as well, and before you know it, there will be no one around to remember any of them, because that is how death works.



But in the end, it's more bittersweet that overwhelmingly sad alone. Cleas's last line, we see her say it fondly, almost as if she is happy about the memories returning. I think both Rico and Petra were happy in the end. Even though death was coming, they just peacefully lived out their final days with their handlers. Almost how you might see an elderly couple that has done everything they want to, and all the excitement in their life is over, and they just bitter sweetly spend their days together until they die.



I have a feeling that the last year with Rico was a very impactful one for Jean. With nothing more to do, and no more jobs for Rico, his "Tool", to fix, he has to start treating her as a normal girl. I feel that in this final year, Jean finally got to learn who Rico was as a person, and learned to see her as such, rather than as a tool. And after throwing her into the line of fire over and over again for years, I imagine that he is called to reevaluate the price of his revenge. Cause in the end he got it, but he lost his brother, and so many other lives. Now, seeing Rico as a person, and possibly enjoying the time he spends with her, he thinks about what it would be like if Rico had died in the fight, and he realizes he doesn't want to be without her.



I think he truly learned the value of a life in this final year. This is of course my speculation, but it's a feeling that the manga gave me. I could keep talking about Gunslinger Girl for hours, so I'm gonna leave it off here. If anyone wants t discuss though, please reply. I'd love to get into a discussion about the manga with another fan who loves the series as much as I do.



Can you send me a link to all this stuff you talk about? The scanlation I read made no mention of any boat, nor did it have a monlogoe by Claes or a shot of Claes and Jean together. I think it may br missing a few pages or chapters





Sorry dude, I read the psychical copies so I don't know where to find it online. Just make sure you finished it all, cause there's one more volume after the omnibus's end. Volume 15. It's not included in any of the collections, only as an individual volume. It wraps up the series perfectly. Just don't read the very last chapter, stop after the Epilogue. It's a perfect conclusion, and the last chapter messes it up.



There are also 100 chapters in total, just so you can reference how far you read in the series.



Is the final chapter the wishy washy future thing? I'm fairly certain I read 100 chapters.



Yeah, that unfortunately is the final chapter. I think chapter 99 wraps it up perfectly, but 100 messes it up. Anyway, you might want to re-read some of the last chapters again just to make sure you got everything. If you read it on the internet, there's a chance you didn't get all the content, depending on the reliability of the site you read it on.
 
  • #23
One of the most amazing manga i've ever read.   I doubt ill read anything on its level any time soon.



10/10
 
  • #24
The final chapter was unnecessary in my opinion. Felt a bit disjointed from chapter 99, which, while it ended abruptly, was kind of perfect.



Nevertheless, this was a decent manga. It was enjoyable and actually made me care about the girls, although I do feel like the manga gave Henrietta and especially Rico, far less screen time than they should’ve got. Kinda wish the author also toned down the “romantic” aspects of the relationships between the girls and their handlers (I’m looking at you Sandro), even if they are mainly one-sided on the part of the girls.
 
  • #25
sugarbee said:
Valefor said:


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                        Powerful end. Maybe it left too much side stories open but it was indeed a worth and moviing finale for this great manga.

9/10, hope to reread it soon, editor in my country almost dropped this series.

I agree too, but i feel i saw Jose and  Henrietta  again, like  reincarnated



agreed. they looked so similar. damn, cant believe its over. the anime was one of my first to see and then followed the manga. sad to see it end. wish there wouldve been more. the ending felt kind of, empty. still giving the manga a 10 though. was so powerful
 
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