Gunslinger Girl Chapter 100 Discussion

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Also, that last page in the epilogue really says so much if you think about it. In it's conclusion, we see the similarities between Cleas and Jean. There personalities couldn't be more different, but there the same in the way that they both ended up in the same place. There the only surviving members of their "Platoon" per say. In the end, after Jean's revenge has been taken, and all of the cyborgs have reached the inevitable end of their lifespan, they both just wander the boat alone, having lost all their friends to the war. Almost like ghosts upon the ship. Claes is to die soon, and Jean has no purpose anymore, so in all likelihood, he is to die soon as well from suicide (Forget about hopey changey final chapter). Jean's first line when he wakes up after the battle was "So I failed to die again". All Jean wanted was to fulfill his purpose and then die. Rico gave him a purpose, but when she died, I suspect he was only waiting for all the cyborgs to die off to kill himself, because it was something he was still "Needed" for, in his mind.



Claes's last line holds buckets full of meaning. She states that she can see the back of a man walking towards the sun, which isn't just a final pretty sounding line to end the manga on, it means her memories are returning. This last line is simply the reminder that, just like the other cyborgs, Cleas is gonna die soon. It's bittersweet though. She says the line fondly, as if she would be happy to be able to meet the man once more, but it also means that Claes is gonna die soon.



The manga uses the metaphor of "Fantasma" and "Ghost" a lot. I think the ending was a reflection on the concept of fantasma. Throughout the manga, we see most of the characters have lost loved ones who still influence what they do in present day. It seems that whenever a person dies, everyone still has their unfinished buisness with them, and things are left unresolved because of their death. When Enrica died, he idea and memory haunted Jean and Jose for the rest of their lives. The doctor's memory haunted Hilshire for the rest of his, and infuenced how he acted in his present day, and to Triella. But in the end, when we see everybody die, it gives a more grim look at this metaphor. The agency is but a fantasma now, and all the cyborgs who died are as well. In the epilogue, I get an overwhelming feeling, reminding me that Hanrietta, Triella, Jose, Hilshire, are not here any more. That may sound obvious, but the epilogue really makes me feel the weight of that. All the remaining members of the agency wandering around the boat, a fair amount of them just waiting for death, it feels like all the previous chapters never happened. Like all they were was a distant memory for all the characters, or a fairytale, or a fantasma. Usually I don't like it when a story wraps up with a summary of what happens to everyone in a monologue, but I think it really worked in this. In the mono, Claes just says what happened to them, and you just feel like, "They died, they just died, that's all". We just see everyone fades into a fantasma for all who still remain alive, but we know that in not long all of those people will be fantasma as well, and before you know it, there will be no one around to remember any of them, because that is how death works.



But in the end, it's more bittersweet that overwhelmingly sad alone. Cleas's last line, we see her say it fondly, almost as if she is happy about the memories returning. I think both Rico and Petra were happy in the end. Even though death was coming, they just peacefully lived out their final days with their handlers. Almost how you might see an elderly couple that has done everything they want to, and all the excitement in their life is over, and they just bitter sweetly spend their days together until they die.



I have a feeling that the last year with Rico was a very impactful one for Jean. With nothing more to do, and no more jobs for Rico, his "Tool", to fix, he has to start treating her as a normal girl. I feel that in this final year, Jean finally got to learn who Rico was as a person, and learned to see her as such, rather than as a tool. And after throwing her into the line of fire over and over again for years, I imagine that he is called to reevaluate the price of his revenge. Cause in the end he got it, but he lost his brother, and so many other lives. Now, seeing Rico as a person, and possibly enjoying the time he spends with her, he thinks about what it would be like if Rico had died in the fight, and he realizes he doesn't want to be without her.



I think he truly learned the value of a life in this final year. This is of course my speculation, but it's a feeling that the manga gave me. I could keep talking about Gunslinger Girl for hours, so I'm gonna leave it off here. If anyone wants t discuss though, please reply. I'd love to get into a discussion about the manga with another fan who loves the series as much as I do.
 
  • #43
Wow can't believe it's over, it's been a long time. The ending was good, kinda wish they showed more of the girls, especially my favorite Petrushka, but i'm satisfied.



I got to admit though, my first thought was that the guy was going to be a pedophile and was going to try to do something to her, especially when he mentioned putting her on the net, I'm guessing the author did that on purpose because that's what happened to Triela.
 
  • #44
Who the fuck is the Dad trielas daughter ???? I wanna know who the daddy is and if I missed something tell me it’s killing me.
 
  • #45
I'm just happy enough that Rico was one of the few who didn't have some fucked up death. She was always not only my favorite, but seemed to have the worst situation of all of them due to the lack of memory wipe, going on almost every single mission (none of the other girls go on nearly as many as her and she's in almost every single arc of the story), not to mention she's got the highest kill count, which is fine and good and all if you're playing a video game - but not when it's a little girl who so clearly just loves to be alive and shouldn't be out there killing in the first place. So it was nice that she got a good ending to her story.



Seeing Triela's uh...kid, I guess, was nice for a final chapter, but it really didn't give much closure to anything at all. Not just in terms of side stories, but even the main story had nothing ending it at all. I'm a bit disappointed by that, it feels a bit rushed and lazy compared to the rest of the manga which goes into detail for everything and paced itself very well. After all that I figured at least, in terms of the bad guys, there'd be some closure aside just "one of the higher ups" being caught and some other big ones being killed.



The ending itself wasn't disappointing to me, just that it's over I guess. And really, as much as I loved the entire manga, I'm happy enough with the entire series just knowing Rico didn't kill herself or get torn into pieces like some other girls we know.
 
  • #46
mapperky said:
Also, that last page in the epilogue really says so much if you think about it. In it's conclusion, we see the similarities between Cleas and Jean. There personalities couldn't be more different, but there the same in the way that they both ended up in the same place. There the only surviving members of their "Platoon" per say. In the end, after Jean's revenge has been taken, and all of the cyborgs have reached the inevitable end of their lifespan, they both just wander the boat alone, having lost all their friends to the war. Almost like ghosts upon the ship. Claes is to die soon, and Jean has no purpose anymore, so in all likelihood, he is to die soon as well from suicide (Forget about hopey changey final chapter). Jean's first line when he wakes up after the battle was "So I failed to die again". All Jean wanted was to fulfill his purpose and then die. Rico gave him a purpose, but when she died, I suspect he was only waiting for all the cyborgs to die off to kill himself, because it was something he was still "Needed" for, in his mind.



Claes's last line holds buckets full of meaning. She states that she can see the back of a man walking towards the sun, which isn't just a final pretty sounding line to end the manga on, it means her memories are returning. This last line is simply the reminder that, just like the other cyborgs, Cleas is gonna die soon. It's bittersweet though. She says the line fondly, as if she would be happy to be able to meet the man once more, but it also means that Claes is gonna die soon.



The manga uses the metaphor of "Fantasma" and "Ghost" a lot. I think the ending was a reflection on the concept of fantasma. Throughout the manga, we see most of the characters have lost loved ones who still influence what they do in present day. It seems that whenever a person dies, everyone still has their unfinished buisness with them, and things are left unresolved because of their death. When Enrica died, he idea and memory haunted Jean and Jose for the rest of their lives. The doctor's memory haunted Hilshire for the rest of his, and infuenced how he acted in his present day, and to Triella. But in the end, when we see everybody die, it gives a more grim look at this metaphor. The agency is but a fantasma now, and all the cyborgs who died are as well. In the epilogue, I get an overwhelming feeling, reminding me that Hanrietta, Triella, Jose, Hilshire, are not here any more. That may sound obvious, but the epilogue really makes me feel the weight of that. All the remaining members of the agency wandering around the boat, a fair amount of them just waiting for death, it feels like all the previous chapters never happened. Like all they were was a distant memory for all the characters, or a fairytale, or a fantasma. Usually I don't like it when a story wraps up with a summary of what happens to everyone in a monologue, but I think it really worked in this. In the mono, Claes just says what happened to them, and you just feel like, "They died, they just died, that's all". We just see everyone fades into a fantasma for all who still remain alive, but we know that in not long all of those people will be fantasma as well, and before you know it, there will be no one around to remember any of them, because that is how death works.



But in the end, it's more bittersweet that overwhelmingly sad alone. Cleas's last line, we see her say it fondly, almost as if she is happy about the memories returning. I think both Rico and Petra were happy in the end. Even though death was coming, they just peacefully lived out their final days with their handlers. Almost how you might see an elderly couple that has done everything they want to, and all the excitement in their life is over, and they just bitter sweetly spend their days together until they die.



I have a feeling that the last year with Rico was a very impactful one for Jean. With nothing more to do, and no more jobs for Rico, his "Tool", to fix, he has to start treating her as a normal girl. I feel that in this final year, Jean finally got to learn who Rico was as a person, and learned to see her as such, rather than as a tool. And after throwing her into the line of fire over and over again for years, I imagine that he is called to reevaluate the price of his revenge. Cause in the end he got it, but he lost his brother, and so many other lives. Now, seeing Rico as a person, and possibly enjoying the time he spends with her, he thinks about what it would be like if Rico had died in the fight, and he realizes he doesn't want to be without her.



I think he truly learned the value of a life in this final year. This is of course my speculation, but it's a feeling that the manga gave me. I could keep talking about Gunslinger Girl for hours, so I'm gonna leave it off here. If anyone wants t discuss though, please reply. I'd love to get into a discussion about the manga with another fan who loves the series as much as I do.



Can you send me a link to all this stuff you talk about? The scanlation I read made no mention of any boat, nor did it have a monlogoe by Claes or a shot of Claes and Jean together. I think it may br missing a few pages or chapters
 
  • #47
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                        Powerful end. Maybe it left too much side stories open but it was indeed a worth and moviing finale for this great manga.

9/10, hope to reread it soon, editor in my country almost dropped this series.
 
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