Gunslinger Girl Chapter 100 Discussion

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  • #26
Mien said:
I don't get it, that ending showed a lesson about hope but I already knew about the concept of hope beforehand. And did Henrietta had a crush on that special forces GIS guy back in volume 60, and she saw the similar GIS unit and remembered her past then went psyched and basically killed Jose and some random GIS guy.



Henrietta became human for once and the shock was definitely killing her.



Jean has survived it all because he doesn't let emotions take control in a battle, Rico was so ideal to his operations and livelihood since she was probably the most disciplined and great fighter. A present of the display between the gap of the emotional being and cold hearted soldiers.







Wait, I wasn't very clear if I was making a statement so I'll redo.



Jean and Rico survived all the fights because they were the most disciplined out of the agents and cyborgs. That only goes to show the consequences of getting your feeling up in a battle.
 
  • #27
I don't get it, that ending showed a lesson about hope but I already knew about the concept of hope beforehand. And did Henrietta had a crush on that special forces GIS guy back in volume 60, and she saw the similar GIS unit and remembered her past then went psyched and basically killed Jose and some random GIS guy.



Henrietta became human for once and the shock was definitely killing her.



Jean has survived it all because he doesn't let emotions take control in a battle, Rico was so ideal to his operations and livelihood since she was probably the most disciplined and great fighter. A present of the display between the gap of the emotional being and cold hearted soldiers.



 
  • #28
this final arc was too much for me, i sobbed for the last twenty something chapters



the minute triela got shot i knew she wasn't gonna make it, her and hillshire had me CRUSHED rip to my otp



henrietta and jose were sad, not as sad as the hillshire-triela death but i still teared up



i'm so upset about petra, she and sandro were my second top ship - i was rooting for them :-(



jean has gotten married, i hope it was too enrica's friend: he deserves a happy ending



although i'm doubtful, i hope some medical advancement allowed claes and rico to live, those two girls went through way too much



the ending was beautiful with triela's daughter, and made me cry all the more. even though we don't know who the father is i like to imagine hillshire left sperm or something for the egg and he's the dad



11/10 started strong, ended stronger
 
  • #29
Evangeliman said:
mapperky said:
Evangeliman said:
mapperky said:
Evangeliman said:
mapperky said:
Also, that last page in the epilogue really says so much if you think about it. In it's conclusion, we see the similarities between Cleas and Jean. There personalities couldn't be more different, but there the same in the way that they both ended up in the same place. There the only surviving members of their "Platoon" per say. In the end, after Jean's revenge has been taken, and all of the cyborgs have reached the inevitable end of their lifespan, they both just wander the boat alone, having lost all their friends to the war. Almost like ghosts upon the ship. Claes is to die soon, and Jean has no purpose anymore, so in all likelihood, he is to die soon as well from suicide (Forget about hopey changey final chapter). Jean's first line when he wakes up after the battle was "So I failed to die again". All Jean wanted was to fulfill his purpose and then die. Rico gave him a purpose, but when she died, I suspect he was only waiting for all the cyborgs to die off to kill himself, because it was something he was still "Needed" for, in his mind.



Claes's last line holds buckets full of meaning. She states that she can see the back of a man walking towards the sun, which isn't just a final pretty sounding line to end the manga on, it means her memories are returning. This last line is simply the reminder that, just like the other cyborgs, Cleas is gonna die soon. It's bittersweet though. She says the line fondly, as if she would be happy to be able to meet the man once more, but it also means that Claes is gonna die soon.



The manga uses the metaphor of "Fantasma" and "Ghost" a lot. I think the ending was a reflection on the concept of fantasma. Throughout the manga, we see most of the characters have lost loved ones who still influence what they do in present day. It seems that whenever a person dies, everyone still has their unfinished buisness with them, and things are left unresolved because of their death. When Enrica died, he idea and memory haunted Jean and Jose for the rest of their lives. The doctor's memory haunted Hilshire for the rest of his, and infuenced how he acted in his present day, and to Triella. But in the end, when we see everybody die, it gives a more grim look at this metaphor. The agency is but a fantasma now, and all the cyborgs who died are as well. In the epilogue, I get an overwhelming feeling, reminding me that Hanrietta, Triella, Jose, Hilshire, are not here any more. That may sound obvious, but the epilogue really makes me feel the weight of that. All the remaining members of the agency wandering around the boat, a fair amount of them just waiting for death, it feels like all the previous chapters never happened. Like all they were was a distant memory for all the characters, or a fairytale, or a fantasma. Usually I don't like it when a story wraps up with a summary of what happens to everyone in a monologue, but I think it really worked in this. In the mono, Claes just says what happened to them, and you just feel like, "They died, they just died, that's all". We just see everyone fades into a fantasma for all who still remain alive, but we know that in not long all of those people will be fantasma as well, and before you know it, there will be no one around to remember any of them, because that is how death works.



But in the end, it's more bittersweet that overwhelmingly sad alone. Cleas's last line, we see her say it fondly, almost as if she is happy about the memories returning. I think both Rico and Petra were happy in the end. Even though death was coming, they just peacefully lived out their final days with their handlers. Almost how you might see an elderly couple that has done everything they want to, and all the excitement in their life is over, and they just bitter sweetly spend their days together until they die.



I have a feeling that the last year with Rico was a very impactful one for Jean. With nothing more to do, and no more jobs for Rico, his "Tool", to fix, he has to start treating her as a normal girl. I feel that in this final year, Jean finally got to learn who Rico was as a person, and learned to see her as such, rather than as a tool. And after throwing her into the line of fire over and over again for years, I imagine that he is called to reevaluate the price of his revenge. Cause in the end he got it, but he lost his brother, and so many other lives. Now, seeing Rico as a person, and possibly enjoying the time he spends with her, he thinks about what it would be like if Rico had died in the fight, and he realizes he doesn't want to be without her.



I think he truly learned the value of a life in this final year. This is of course my speculation, but it's a feeling that the manga gave me. I could keep talking about Gunslinger Girl for hours, so I'm gonna leave it off here. If anyone wants t discuss though, please reply. I'd love to get into a discussion about the manga with another fan who loves the series as much as I do.



Can you send me a link to all this stuff you talk about? The scanlation I read made no mention of any boat, nor did it have a monlogoe by Claes or a shot of Claes and Jean together. I think it may br missing a few pages or chapters





Sorry dude, I read the psychical copies so I don't know where to find it online. Just make sure you finished it all, cause there's one more volume after the omnibus's end. Volume 15. It's not included in any of the collections, only as an individual volume. It wraps up the series perfectly. Just don't read the very last chapter, stop after the Epilogue. It's a perfect conclusion, and the last chapter messes it up.



There are also 100 chapters in total, just so you can reference how far you read in the series.



Is the final chapter the wishy washy future thing? I'm fairly certain I read 100 chapters.



Yeah, that unfortunately is the final chapter. I think chapter 99 wraps it up perfectly, but 100 messes it up. Anyway, you might want to re-read some of the last chapters again just to make sure you got everything. If you read it on the internet, there's a chance you didn't get all the content, depending on the reliability of the site you read it on.



Do you know of any site with the official translations? I can only find the same scanlation and I've gone through the last 10 chapters about ~20 times trying to see if I missed something.



Sorry, I don't. You should search around on Ebay and Amazon for a physical copy of Vol. 15. I got mine used for just over 10 bucks including shipping. Here's the link for that. It's well worth the money.



https://www.amazon.com/Gunslinger-Girl-Finale-Yu-Aida/dp/1937867285/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1494789996&sr=8-2&keywords=Gunslinger+girl+15
 
  • #30
The last 3 volumes were just too much for me to bear. The whole final confrontation was just handled fantastic in my opinion. The atmosphere was tense, the fighting was gritty, the deaths were more than tragic. Jose, Henrietta, Triela and even my fucking main man Hilshire, fuck me, the author went all out. After I saw the cover for the 15th volume I thought that even Claes wouldn't make it out alive and I felt really relieved when the guys at SWA were able to solve the situation peacefully. The last chapter was great too. The video recording of Speranza and Jose donating a dollar was very,very sweet and I'm not ashamed to say that a one or two tears flowed down my cheek. Definitely one of the best manga I've ever read.
 
  • #31
After the anime I just came to see what happens afterwards and dam its depressing. Yea there are some hopeful moments but everything between is just freaking sad.
 
  • #32
I just finished the manga and how can I say that I sobbed.  Henrietta for me was dead as soon as he reformatted it... I find it really unfortunate that in the end Henrietta was only a weapon for him... and on the contrary we see Jean becoming human with Rico, I m  I wasn't expecting that... But that she killed him surprised me, I didn't even think it was possible especially reformatted, but well done for him... after that she had no reason to live without him...  then Hishler er Triela... my poor little heart... it surprised me we go from a hishler not hurt nothing to a dead hishler... I would have liked to see the last words between the two...  after that, how to rub salt in the wound with the death of Rico a year later and of Petrushka.... and the last sentence of Claes on these visions which clearly say that she is also on the verge of death  .... and the last ending doesn't really interest me... if at least we saw Jean in the audience... well, here it is.  Far too sad end for me but she follows the manga and is extremely logical...
 
  • #33
mapperky said:
Evangeliman said:
mapperky said:
Also, that last page in the epilogue really says so much if you think about it. In it's conclusion, we see the similarities between Cleas and Jean. There personalities couldn't be more different, but there the same in the way that they both ended up in the same place. There the only surviving members of their "Platoon" per say. In the end, after Jean's revenge has been taken, and all of the cyborgs have reached the inevitable end of their lifespan, they both just wander the boat alone, having lost all their friends to the war. Almost like ghosts upon the ship. Claes is to die soon, and Jean has no purpose anymore, so in all likelihood, he is to die soon as well from suicide (Forget about hopey changey final chapter). Jean's first line when he wakes up after the battle was "So I failed to die again". All Jean wanted was to fulfill his purpose and then die. Rico gave him a purpose, but when she died, I suspect he was only waiting for all the cyborgs to die off to kill himself, because it was something he was still "Needed" for, in his mind.



Claes's last line holds buckets full of meaning. She states that she can see the back of a man walking towards the sun, which isn't just a final pretty sounding line to end the manga on, it means her memories are returning. This last line is simply the reminder that, just like the other cyborgs, Cleas is gonna die soon. It's bittersweet though. She says the line fondly, as if she would be happy to be able to meet the man once more, but it also means that Claes is gonna die soon.



The manga uses the metaphor of "Fantasma" and "Ghost" a lot. I think the ending was a reflection on the concept of fantasma. Throughout the manga, we see most of the characters have lost loved ones who still influence what they do in present day. It seems that whenever a person dies, everyone still has their unfinished buisness with them, and things are left unresolved because of their death. When Enrica died, he idea and memory haunted Jean and Jose for the rest of their lives. The doctor's memory haunted Hilshire for the rest of his, and infuenced how he acted in his present day, and to Triella. But in the end, when we see everybody die, it gives a more grim look at this metaphor. The agency is but a fantasma now, and all the cyborgs who died are as well. In the epilogue, I get an overwhelming feeling, reminding me that Hanrietta, Triella, Jose, Hilshire, are not here any more. That may sound obvious, but the epilogue really makes me feel the weight of that. All the remaining members of the agency wandering around the boat, a fair amount of them just waiting for death, it feels like all the previous chapters never happened. Like all they were was a distant memory for all the characters, or a fairytale, or a fantasma. Usually I don't like it when a story wraps up with a summary of what happens to everyone in a monologue, but I think it really worked in this. In the mono, Claes just says what happened to them, and you just feel like, "They died, they just died, that's all". We just see everyone fades into a fantasma for all who still remain alive, but we know that in not long all of those people will be fantasma as well, and before you know it, there will be no one around to remember any of them, because that is how death works.



But in the end, it's more bittersweet that overwhelmingly sad alone. Cleas's last line, we see her say it fondly, almost as if she is happy about the memories returning. I think both Rico and Petra were happy in the end. Even though death was coming, they just peacefully lived out their final days with their handlers. Almost how you might see an elderly couple that has done everything they want to, and all the excitement in their life is over, and they just bitter sweetly spend their days together until they die.



I have a feeling that the last year with Rico was a very impactful one for Jean. With nothing more to do, and no more jobs for Rico, his "Tool", to fix, he has to start treating her as a normal girl. I feel that in this final year, Jean finally got to learn who Rico was as a person, and learned to see her as such, rather than as a tool. And after throwing her into the line of fire over and over again for years, I imagine that he is called to reevaluate the price of his revenge. Cause in the end he got it, but he lost his brother, and so many other lives. Now, seeing Rico as a person, and possibly enjoying the time he spends with her, he thinks about what it would be like if Rico had died in the fight, and he realizes he doesn't want to be without her.



I think he truly learned the value of a life in this final year. This is of course my speculation, but it's a feeling that the manga gave me. I could keep talking about Gunslinger Girl for hours, so I'm gonna leave it off here. If anyone wants t discuss though, please reply. I'd love to get into a discussion about the manga with another fan who loves the series as much as I do.



Can you send me a link to all this stuff you talk about? The scanlation I read made no mention of any boat, nor did it have a monlogoe by Claes or a shot of Claes and Jean together. I think it may br missing a few pages or chapters





Sorry dude, I read the psychical copies so I don't know where to find it online. Just make sure you finished it all, cause there's one more volume after the omnibus's end. Volume 15. It's not included in any of the collections, only as an individual volume. It wraps up the series perfectly. Just don't read the very last chapter, stop after the Epilogue. It's a perfect conclusion, and the last chapter messes it up.



There are also 100 chapters in total, just so you can reference how far you read in the series.



Is the final chapter the wishy washy future thing? I'm fairly certain I read 100 chapters.
 
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