Bokurano Chapter 65 Discussion

The whole point of the manga was about coming to terms with death. Some people might be sad that this cruel game will continue, but this game is really just "death" on a bigger scale involving entire dimensions/universes. It happens whether we like it or not and so people need to learn how to deal with it.



I can understand that some readers may also have been disappointed a little because they wanted more of an explanation into the why/what of the game. But this isn't some hard sci-fi manga. It only used the game as a mere plot-device to show various characters coming to terms with death, so the origins or causes behind the game is inconsequential in the end.



Overall, it's a very good end that's consistent with the main theme of the story. I can understand people being upset with the ending for personal reasons, but anyone who thinks that this was a genuinely bad end needs to reread this manga and think it over.

senerikfred said:
@Lhefriel_Medies: I think he meant the 'main world' to be the one our main characters are in, so you two are saying the same thing. And there are 15 pilots, not 10.





so does that answer my question - do the children from the series get revived since dungbeetle is gonna die in his demonstration battle?

@ duelistbluerose



Dung beetle was contracted so he represents the "main world" of the series, not the one he originally came from . So if he loses, the new group will be revieved, but the "main world" will be destroyed.

The old group stays dead.

I felt that this manga was like reading a one shot for each "main" character, it got repetitive pretty fast i just finished this manga and i already don't remember each characters "story' cause i simply diden't care that much anymore since you knew they were going to die.



Overall this was not a bad read but it felt too "empty" for me.



6/10

during every1's story i got so attached to the characters and at the end it felt so empty cuz every1 died..even the two commanders and i really liked them...in a way its really sad and depressing but in a way its also not bcuz every1 jus got caught up in a fucked up world

What a depressing manga. Not a lot of hope for the future left in this world.



Overall, I did enjoy this. I didn't find all of the characters interesting and I do think some of the themes were conveyed in a seriously hamfisted way (i.e Tanaka and Kirie's conversation before his battle). This manga uses its concept to develop it's characters and the Zearth and everything that revolves around it is just a way to do that. I think it did a fine job at that. 7/10.

SPOILERS BELOW



Sakujo said:
"I wonder, what existence designed this whole thing?"



"There are many people who say there's a God somewhere up there, but God is nothing more than a formula. Just a part of some law of physics that we have yet to understand."



Evolution prevails! :D



I don't think that it's anywhere nearly that simple. It seems to me that the concept of God isn't anywhere nearly so easily dismissed from a teleological standpoint as Dung Beetle makes it seem in that passage, and it seems to me that he realizes that fact. His expression moves from blank reception to a sort of nihilistic smile and then to a sort of grim determination as the conversation moves from page ten to page seventeen.



I think that it's far more probable that Kitoh is using this offhand declaration to reveal another aspect of the human vulnerability than as any sort of logical endpoint. Dung Beetle's character seems to be one that cannot logically progress without first rationalizing his actions, and added to the sum of his effortless and sarcastic behavior throughout the entirely series, it seems inevitable that he turns that some form of hedonism in order to maintain his sanity. The statement seems to be satirical of the many who offhandedly declare only consensus reality by way of either the scientific method or some sort of philosophical deduction, as it is distinctly clear from the series that either in application to the situation at hand fails miserably.



Further supporting this is the continuation of his argument; "It's better to think like this, no?"



Given that he appears to be talking with the Kokopelli at the start of the series and his separate approach to the new world, telling the children directly that they would die, he seems to assume the viewpoint that it is far better to make progress through sacrifice in full knowledge than with only hope in ignorance. He certainly does not know the answer to the whole riddle, since it looks to be impossible to know more than the cursory details from  but he thinks that coming to the best conclusion that he can and believing in his deduction is the proper course of action.



Another point that seems to support this is that he is able to treat this so flippantly after seeing Jun, the most reluctant and in many senses most rational of the pilots, sacrifice much of his sanity massacring multiple civilizations.



Your comment was probably a joke considering how clear most of these points are, but a part of me just couldn't resist responding to this and couldn't muster the control to let it go by. :P.

I was kind of interested to see if Kitoh actually would ever do a real 'happy end.' Thankfully not, it wouldn't have been fitting, but the ambiguous and cute end is better than any of the stuff he bad-end'd.

And so an awesome series has reached completion.



On an unrelated note, Dung Beetle. One, his jacket was fugly, two, kind of lame that he was the only toy thing that didn't have hair styled onto his toy appearance just because he was a main character.