Point of no return for Villians?
- Thread starter OGCH8g
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- #28
Why people thinks about villains as your average criminals. What's the point of rape, murder, patricide, infanticide and alike if you apply it to the "villain" like he or she would do it himself or herself. Are we talking only about criminal novels?
Batman is actually a villain portrayed as hero. See how many people died because of his so-called magnanimous attitude in Injustice.
Batman is actually a villain portrayed as hero. See how many people died because of his so-called magnanimous attitude in Injustice.
- #30
Imo no "villain" should think of himself as a "villain". To break laws and do "immoral" things should be a tool to reach a goal that is perceived as "worthy to do whatever is necessary" by the "villain".
For example there are "good reasons" to kill/murder somebody, but that doesn't make it 'right'.
In my opinion the saying "the end justifies the means" is the great divide. If the "end" is (subjectively) valuable enough, everything goes. (without them ever becoming a villain, but an anti-hero)
A little Offtopic: If rape was just half as bad as death in real life - like so many social media warriors like to propagate - the victims wouldn't submit to it. They'd actually fight to the death. Often fear of pain 'or worse' (even implied threats that may or may not just exist in their heads, due to a misinterpretation of a situation) makes the victim not defend itself at all. It's terrible, sure, but if we'd go back 3-5 generations, about 99.99% of all humans have at least one rapist/victim as ancestor.
For example there are "good reasons" to kill/murder somebody, but that doesn't make it 'right'.
In my opinion the saying "the end justifies the means" is the great divide. If the "end" is (subjectively) valuable enough, everything goes. (without them ever becoming a villain, but an anti-hero)
A little Offtopic: If rape was just half as bad as death in real life - like so many social media warriors like to propagate - the victims wouldn't submit to it. They'd actually fight to the death. Often fear of pain 'or worse' (even implied threats that may or may not just exist in their heads, due to a misinterpretation of a situation) makes the victim not defend itself at all. It's terrible, sure, but if we'd go back 3-5 generations, about 99.99% of all humans have at least one rapist/victim as ancestor.
- #31
Want to know who the most magnanimous Hero is? Batman
Because no matter how insane, depraved or vicious a villain is, this guy will just lock them up, never consciously kill any of them.
His archnemisis "The Joker", has killed about 114 people in the DC universe. This include's Batman's sidekick Robin (the 2nd one: Jason Todd)
And Batman, just upholds values that he considers greater than himself.
Because no matter how insane, depraved or vicious a villain is, this guy will just lock them up, never consciously kill any of them.
His archnemisis "The Joker", has killed about 114 people in the DC universe. This include's Batman's sidekick Robin (the 2nd one: Jason Todd)
And Batman, just upholds values that he considers greater than himself.
- #32
I don't believe in there being a point of no return unless you are specific about the context of the story.
As I see it it is less about the crime and more about if the character genuinely feel remorse and how the other characters respond to that.
Real life is trickier because you can't look into the head of a criminal like you can with a character in a story.
As I see it it is less about the crime and more about if the character genuinely feel remorse and how the other characters respond to that.
Real life is trickier because you can't look into the head of a criminal like you can with a character in a story.
- #33
I'm not entirely sure that there's such a thing as a point of no return. It's all dependent on the skill of the writer, and what kind of effect they're going for. Good writers can redeem just about anything and bad writers can't redeem jaywalking.
That said, it's pretty damned hard to make a character who tortures, mutilates, and murders children sympathetic. I've seen a writer try to make a character who did this into the male love interest and that attempt crashed and burned (burning the entire novel at that).
That said, it's pretty damned hard to make a character who tortures, mutilates, and murders children sympathetic. I've seen a writer try to make a character who did this into the male love interest and that attempt crashed and burned (burning the entire novel at that).