Berserk Chapter 355 Discussion
- Thread starter PumpkinKing10
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- #142
I never said otherwise. I just replied in that way because the other user was acting like I'm the delusional one ("You're letting your massive hate boner flat out blind you") so why shouldn't I do the same... People can prefer the new artstyle, the later arcs etc. obviously, don't care.
Just gonna say, if your reasoning boils down "well they started it," you aren't exactly helping your cause. :) And for someone who keeps saying they don't care, you sure spend a lot of time repeating the same arguments with the same people over their preferences (yes I saw your other thread where you said a lot of the same things you said here).
Aardwolf94 said:
And her character definitely looks more childish now and moe now imho.
See, this is why I suspect people are getting frustrated talking to you - you didn't address anything I said, you just keep repeating your opinion. Again, in the pictures CrimsonResonance posted, her eye shape and facial structure (both of which are very important characteristics to Asian anime artists) are virtually identical. Also, in the GA picture, she has cartoony lips, whereas in the recent versions, she has teeth and more realistic thin lips. If all you have to say back is "nuh-uh, she looks way more moe now" then that's my cue to move on from this conversation because we'll just be going in circles at that point.
Aardwolf94 said:
I still think she looks much more natural in the first pic.
Just gonna say as a Asian-American who grew up watching and drawing anime and now works in an arts field: I could point out to you all the little differences between the two pics that show that Miura's art style has grown a lot more realistic and natural now than it was 20 years ago. However, I have other more important things I could and should be doing instead, so I won't unless asked to.
Aardwolf94 said:
Look at this https://i.imgur.com/sreoF7e.jpg  (changes over the years) or this https://i.redd.it/lu37pwfsjbn01.png  and if you still can't see how Casca went from a mature looking woman to a moe young girl in just a few chapters (she still looked fine in the sea god arc) then thats your opinion I guess.
The first image (the one on Imgur) is way too small to see in any detail. As for the second, the one on Reddit, it took me a few minutes, but I found a panel from when Casca first met the Moonlight Child and she has huge eyes, similar to how she looks now. Again, not going to bother posting it unless asked to because I have better things to do. The reason I had to go back so far is because Casca hasn't been a significant part of the story since then. Any other images of her that I found as I glanced through previous chapters (and admittedly I skipped around a lot), she was in the background or in small panels, so she was not drawn in detail and one can't really say if she looked "mature" or "moe."
I don't know what your standards are for "moe," but to me it was rather obvious that Casca was drawn differently when she was a potato than during GA or now when she's awake. When you have a visual medium like comics or manga, pictures are what you use to convey your story. To me, Miura chose to draw her in a way to indicated her "not all there" status, which some people have interpreted to be "more mature-looking" (I guess because the pupils were smaller?). I could go into a lot more detail about this, but again, better things to do, so I won't unless asked to.
Aardwolf94 said:
Miura's art in general went downhill because he went digital (https://imgur.com/a/bKZSn). Casca just took it the worst.
No, his style has *changed*; whether that change is good or bad is completely subjective. It happens to most, if not all artists, especially those who produce art on a regular basis. I know several artists who like to re-draw their own drawings every few years, so they can see how much their style has changed over time. And there's nothing wrong with thinking that that change is for the worse - I stopped following some music artists for similar reasons - but you have to realize that it is just your opinion. Those same music artists still have millions of people who love them and buy their music enthusiastically, so clearly my opinion that their music has gotten worse is not an absolute fact.
Aardwolf94 said:
Mate I would like to discuss things in a polite manner but while I did resort to name calling and insults, it was only after the fans started it. Look up my thread if you don't believe me. People just get really worked up if you dare to bash Berserk
Others did, so you're obligated to do it too? No one's forcing your fingers to type those words. The fact that you chose to respond in kind is on you, mate, just like the fact that they chose to use those words is on them.
- #143
CrimsonResonance said:
Aardwolf94 said:
WTF is wrong with the artstyle? Casca looks atrocious, like a generic moe character.
Yeah, she looked soooo much different in the Golden Age arc ar- OH WAIT
Aardwolf94 said:
And the Elf queen is stupid, to just send Casca to Guts in a pretty dress and not considering that she doesnt remember everything yet
She clearly remembers enough to tear up at the mention of Guts' name
Aardwolf94 said:
Miura is dragging this story to death
>has one piece rated a 10
First of, GA was 20 years ago so suddenly trying to go back to that style would be a regression anyway. And is that pic somehow supposed to prove your argument?  WTF She still looks much more natural in the GA one, in the other one she looks so fake and annoyingly moe that its just sad to see what became of Miura's art. And compare Casca now with art from the MF arc..its ridiculous.
She clearly didn't remember enough, considering her reaction at the end.
Salty Berserk fans as usually, bringing up other manga because they can't stand their overrated shitty series to be bashed. How about discussing this series instead of bringing up by ratings of other series..oh wait thats too difficult right?
At least One Piece knows what it is, a great well done Shounen that uses the tropes well. The story is at times too dragged out (Fishman Island, Dressrosa) but it actually fits the overall story since its an adventure, first and foremost. Not to mention OP's world is much more interesting and fleshed out anyway (berserk is your typical generic fantasy setting, especially now).
OP stayed true to its roots while Berserk which started out as a compelling mature story with basically no typical tropes and it ended up being a shitty JRPG manga with cliche characters (Schierke, Isidro etc.) and annoying humor because the author turned soft.
The story being milked out doesn't fit here because you can clearly see that Miura is stretching it out with meaningless detours (sea god) and fights (dragged out attack on Vrtannis, beach etc. that take up whole volumes, same old boring Griffith vs Ganishka).
The female lead suffered as well and was retarded for 20 volumes for this reason which is a damm shame and the MC is no closer to the actual main goal everyone is waiting for (Guts vs Griffith). Short of asspulls how is Guts going to defeat Griffith/God Hand? Time for another 20 volumes to find out
This is basically Bleach levels of pacing.
If you honest to God think Casca looks less "moe" in the former pic then there's nothing more to say. You're letting your massive hate boner flat out blind you.
How the elf queen supposed to know of the trauma she experienced during the eclipse?
I was just trying to point out your hypocrisy. OP is 90% detours yet you seem to excuse it..
...aaaand there he goes off on a tangent.
"Berserk is your typical generic fantasy setting"
Meaningless buzzwords. Berserk has alot of fresh and unique concepts  and it's alot bolder than its contemporary titles. It's world basically inspired Dark Souls, that should tell you how stand-out it is.
Berserk was always supposed to be a fantasy series, and it's still compelling and mature. Schierke is not cliche, she definitely has a lot more to her than "loli witch" as you put it. And Isidro was intentionally written to be like a cliche hot-headed arrogant shonen lead at first, so that he could realise he was in way over his head and humble himself later down the line. And the humour was there since the very first chapter lol
The Sea God arc did have a purpose, it showcased the after-effects of the astral world merge and introduced the character of Isma.
Also wtf Griffith vs Ganishka was anything but boring? It showed us the sheer breadth of Griffith's power and influence (and seeing him plough through thousands of kushans was quite satisfying) It was meant to invoke a sense of dread, like "shit, how's Guts possibly gonna take on this guy?"
You wanted Casca to be restored sooner? That would've drastically reduced the catharsis of her long-awaited return.
Miura said that Berserk is 60-70% complete btw
- #144
Save your breath guys, he isn't going to listen no matter what you say.
I would, but sometimes it's fun to see how long it takes for people like this to ignore me. Sadly, it didn't take very long this time. No worries, though, this is exactly why I don't waste time writing detailed posts unless someone asks for them. :)
