Naruto Chapter 679 Discussion

ramen guy is the last boss!!!





Once in a 1000 years Ichiraku makes a bowl of ramen that can give the consumer the most powerful chakra that ever existed. He finally decided to make a bowl and eat it. He is heading to the battlefield to take his rightful place as the ruler of the world.

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Zeus97 said:
DrGeroCreation said:
Absolutely terrible chapter. This chapter completely ruins Madara as a villain because it makes him nothing but a pawn that was manipulated just like Obito. White zetsus earlier in the series were said to be imperfect clones of the first hokage but now all of a sudden they are related to the Infinite Tsukuyomi. This reveal makes it predictable how the fight will end. Sasuke and Naruto will most likely fuse together and become the sage of the 6 paths the same way Madara and Black Zetsu fused to become Kaguya and he will take her down.



Maybe that is all he was. A pawn, but an incredible one at that.



It was said before that those clones were made from Hashirama cells but who knows if it was a lie. We don't know for certain if it's the truth. Maybe all this time they were somehow related to the infinite tsukuyomi. Maybe in future chapters we get further explanations. The manga is coming to its end, and I don't think Kishi wants his manga to end with plot holes. lol I really hope so. He really needs to fully explain everything in the coming chapters because the reveal made no kind of sense. The white zetsus being imperfect clones of Hashirama made perfect sense considering they are plant like, when Orochimaru took over one of the white zetsus 2nd hokage if I remember correctly could sense that Orochimaru was made up of  the 1st hokage's cells and  Tobi implied that first Hokage cells were used to create the zetsu army considering he showed Kabuto the cultivation of Hashirama's cells which looks like a humanoid version of him connected to the tree. White zetsus being connected to the infinite tsukuyomi to me makes no sense at all.



You're forgetting the fact that Hashirama's power and cells originated from the God-tree. He is a descendent of Hagoromo, who is the son of Kaguya, who in turn ate the Chakra fruit from the Shinju. Furthermore, he is also one of the reincarnations Ashura's will transmigrated to overtime. Added to the fact that the Shinju as well as the Infinite Tsukuyomi are pretty much linked, it makes perfect sense. It's quite obvious that the Zetsu predated both Madara and Hashirama. Obito...or Madara or whoever created them just used a shortcut by taking advantage of Hashirama's mokuton abilities and harvesting them like that. Or else they would have had to wait until they pulled of the genjutsu to use the Zetsu. All in all, it makes perfect sense. All ninjas would have gotten their power from the God tree. If humans can be turned into white zetsus then why didn't Madara turn the ninja alliance (Naruto and Sasuke included)into white zetsus so as to allow the plan to go smoothly without interruption?



Naruto and Sasuke aren't under the Mugen Tsukuyomi, so how would he be able to? Also, something tells me Madara was just winging it when he started things up, but Kaguya actually seems to be proficient in controlling people through the jutsu. I'm talking about before he launched mugen tsukuyomi. Also concerning your previous point about  1st hokage being Ashura's reincarnation. Naruto is also Ashura's reincarnation so why didn't  Tobi ever think about using Naruto's cells to create more zetsus?



One can only turn into Zetsu when they are under the influence of the genjutsu. I thought that much was clear. An even then, it's a gradual process.



Because Naruto doesn't have Mokuton abilities, another thing that should have been obvious. You need the Wood style to create Zetsu, not just any random cells.  The only similarity between the two is that they're both reincarnations of him due to their shared beliefs. Kishimoto will have to explain that because I don't get why humans can only be turned into white zetsus if they are under the mugen tsukuyomi. That's my point that it made sense when it was first stated that zetsus were imperfect clones of Harashima. You need his cells specifically or someone with his cells (Yamato) to create them.



Once you connect all the dots, it's entirely fathomable, for the most part anyway. It all links back to the Juubi tree. Hashirama's abilities are just a variation of the tree, the Zetsus are originally just productions of the tree. Tobi and Madara just took a shortcut by harvesting them through Yamato and Hashirama's cells since it was the closest they could get to the tree. So why does only Hashirama have abilities that are linked to the Juubi tree?

I believe that is a question that can be answered once more is elaborated on the other brother, Hamura. Didn't you ever think it was strange why as the reincarnation of Ashura (who was a loser as a child) Hashirama was still a genius compared to the likes of or even greater than Madara. Indra was a genius and his reincarnation Sasuke was a genius. Ashura was a loser as a kid, and his reincarnation Naruto was a loser as a kid. Similar case with Madara, who was a child genius due to being the reincarnation of Indra.



But Hashirama, he's been a strange case all along. He was a genius as a child as well, unlike his reincarnation Ashura. This must mean that he had a more direct link to the tree, such as the other brother, which may explain the Mokuton. I don't know, it's definitely strange, but like I said, things will become more clearer when Kishi elaborates more on Hamura, which I believe he will.

Isn't that's just environment. Never once i think Naruto is a loser or some sort on his study. He just seems purposely didn't learn anything well because he want to get attention. isn't it?

Rasengan is enough prove.



Hashirama lives on the time that support him. How he trained by his father, knowledge of war, lost his friend. Of course there is no time for him fooling around. therefore, if he trained seriously, of course he became godlike. But yes, this Mokuton tech still not clear to me, is that Senju special or Hashirama special.



It seems Naruto and Indra's case is similar. Both lives in leeway era because Hagoromo already tamed Juubi and became Jinchuuriki.

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Kishi is laying down possible plot points for the future, then if he wants to do naruto again he has something to go by.



-The moon, the sage made the ten tails into the moon, so where is the real moon?



-Kaguya and her soldiers, for what? to wage war against moon or space people? was she banished, did she betray them or did another race/creature invade her planet and she is the last one?



The fruit- send down by aliens? it gives you god like powers so is there a race where they regularly eat it?



Wouldn't mind something like a war against the moon or space people in the future actually. Naruto would actually be even more interesting if something like this did happen. Come one Kishi, make something like this happen!

DrGeroCreation said:
Kishimoto will have to explain that because I don't get why humans can only be turned into white zetsus if they are under the mugen tsukuyomi. That's my point that it made sense when it was first stated that zetsus were imperfect clones of Harashima. You need his cells specifically or someone with his cells (Yamato) to create them.



The White Zetsu created by Madara was only Hashirama's clone cultivated with the help of Shinju's chakra (Demonic Tree). They were not humans subdued by Infinite Tsukuyomi, read ch 606.



From this we can conclude to create White Zetsu, you need Hashirama/Senju DNA + Shinju's chakra. Both are something that Kaguya (being Hashirama's ancestor who ate Shinju's fruit) have in abundance. It took Obito a huge amount of chakra and time to create the White Zetsu army, which I assume were being slowly grown from nothing. The fact that they turned into trees when exposed to senjutsu chakra, implied that they are something like a branch grown from Demonic Statue/Juubi/Shinju.



I assume that what Kaguya's doing was simply a short cut to make White Zetsu. Instead of growing it from 0, she wants to slowly turn the captured humans into Zetsus. The Infinite Tsukuyomi is most likely just a requirement that she has to do in order to do it this way. In conclusion, there are several ways to create White Zetsu: either you grow it slowly and use a huge amount of chakra or subdued a human using Infinite Tsukuyomi and turn them slowly (though most likely still a faster method than the first one).

Oh holy heavens, the massive power scale over these last 50 or so chapters has increased so exponentially it actually rivals the massive changes between power levels Toriyama conjured up between the Saiyan saga and Buu saga. C'mon, everytime you think a character is "godmode" and can't POSSIBLY get more powerful... suddenly they're one-upped to such a degree the previous incarnation "can't compare." All in about 50 chapters. Yeah, okay.



That said, I really want to see this chapter animated. I wonder if Madara is actually gone for good.

MoonStarNinja4 said:
7thVoid said:


Read my post to the other guy and tell me what you think of it. From what I've gathered this doesn't seem too far off though this doesn't mean it'll happen.



7thVoid said:


No, from what I got from this is that she thought sasuke and naruto were the reincarnations of hagoromo and hamura (which they're not). This leads me to wonder if there are reincarnations of both of them on the moon, this could be why Kaguya wishes to raise an army. She wants revenge on them two for some reason not yet shown or someone else completely.





Hm... I don't about reincarnations. I'm not sure how Hagoromo would have been able to speak to Naruto and Sasuke if he had been reincarnated. But who knows? Maybe they still exist somehow, somewhere, if not reincarnations. For me it's still too soon tell anything about Kaguya, Hagoromo and Hamura until there's more info.

Hagoromo himself stated he was nothing more than chakra in CH 670 and that he died a long time back. This means that part of his chakra itself could have been transmigrated into someone who at this point is still unknown as the 4th sealed his chakra inside naruto to talk to him again when the time came. It's not out of the realm of impossibility (it's anime) that Hagoromo could've done the same as he's far superior compared to naruto's father. But I would agree it's too soon to say for sure, but it's fun to think about no?

TonyTonyStark said:
DrGeroCreation said:
Absolutely terrible chapter. This chapter completely ruins Madara as a villain because it makes him nothing but a pawn that was manipulated just like Obito. White zetsus earlier in the series were said to be imperfect clones of the first hokage but now all of a sudden they are related to the Infinite Tsukuyomi. This reveal makes it predictable how the fight will end. Sasuke and Naruto will most likely fuse together and become the sage of the 6 paths the same way Madara and Black Zetsu fused to become Kaguya and he will take her down.



Tbh Madara was not very good to begin with, but they keep replacing villains with even less interesting ones whilst ruining an aldready not very good one.



First, they introduced edo tensei villains, then kyuubi went soft, Tobi went 180 as fast as he went the other way around. And now Madara got popped because nobody knows what to do with him.



Suggestion: introduce a much weaker but smarter villain to set it back to scale. Lose the bijuu. :/ Madara to me was a good villain and deserved to be the final villain because of how much he was built up as a villain. I think the problem is Kishimoto is trying way too hard to have as much twists as possible in this war arc. I agree with your suggestion but the ship has sailed for something like that because this is the last arc. I think Danzo should of had a longer life in the manga and a more prominent role because he is the intelligent type of villain that is weak.

Kaguya mentioned Itachi... wonder why she knows him ?