- #50
Actually I always wished for an Ichigo, who doesn't have Hollow ord Quincy or Fullbring or whatever powers mixed in with being a Shinigami, but one, who has only true und strong Shinigami powers.
Bleach Chapter 541 Discussion
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Actually I always wished for an Ichigo, who doesn't have Hollow ord Quincy or Fullbring or whatever powers mixed in with being a Shinigami, but one, who has only true und strong Shinigami powers.
- #51
Le0nard said:
"Ichigos WHOLE POWER SET HAS BEEN SHINIGAMI ABILITIES MADE INTO QUINCY STYLE POWER."
Are you claiming this as truth or speculation? Where does it state this in the manga? Old-Man did just state that he has been suppressing Ichigo's Shinigami powers, not changing the style.
Oh wow, you must be dense as fuck if you need METAPHORICAL SYMBOLISM to be spelled out in narrative.
"baw haw, quincy uniforms have nazi army motiffs, but since its not stated in the story they don't, baw haw"
Le0nard said:
"GT? Arrow shooting."
Ulquiorra Cifer- Lanza del Relampago... I guess ol Mr. Cifer is part Quincy too because of his massive green... 'Arrow'?
Maybe there is a plot twist that even Kite does not know about. Isshin uses the technique of Getsuga Tensho aswell, so maybe the next twist is Ichigo's mother is truly the Shinigami and Isshin is the Quincy blood line. Ol Boy, can't wait! Please note sarcasm.
Oh wow, someone forgot that Ichigo is also Hollow. So Obviously his GT reminds of both a cero and a a quincy arrow. Please don't strain your brain trying to understand that. Its obviously too high of a concept. Stick to pew pews.
Le0nard said:
"FGT? One-time huge powerup that takes away your powers as a c
ost."
Final Getsuga Tensho: you are correct in describing a function of the technique. Heck, we could assume that Isshin knew this long before Ichigo was born. Once again ill revert back the sarcasm of my previous statement.
Yes, let's yet again use the logic of dumb college drop-outs(hey they did not say it direct, so it doe snot exist~) and ignore the symbolism over how story paralleled both powers and how Aizen was Ichigo's Mayuri, because the story did not shout it to us straight in the face.
Le0nard said:
"The split personifications of his power take on parts of Ichigo's personality, since they all have split from Ichigo's own soul."
When has either personification been the direct cause of Ichigo's inner world clasping or submerging under water? Old-Man stated to Ichigo to stop being a wuss because Old-Man is tired of getting wet. Do you think Old-Man would cause Ichigo's inner world to submerge underwater if Ol-Man liked to be wet? No! Old-Man STATED TO Ichigo he would lend him all his powers if Ichigo stopped the rain.
BECAUSE PERSONIFICATIONS ARE NOT CAUSES, THEY ARE REFLECTIONS. LEARN YOUR GOD DAMN TERMINOLOGY or stop making yourself look dumb.
I almost forgot! I would like to introduce myself. I am Le0nard and am glad to now be apart of Bleach Anonymous. After I read a chapter, I usually visit forums like this to indulge in others views, theories, and ideas. However, there is one individual whom is highly disrespectful towards others, which I finally decided to 'enjoy'. I just didn't expect Fai to crash burn and be subjugated to degradation so soon. I'll emphasize SOON because I did expect it at some point.
Anywho... @Fai
"Oh wow, someone forgot that Ichigo is also Hollow. So Obviously his GT reminds of both a cero and a a quincy arrow. Please don't strain your brain trying to understand that. Its obviously too high of a concept. Stick to pew pews"
So... 'his GT reminds of both a cero and etc....' Um, Reminds who?
[Ragix said:
Aww shit, now Ichigo is going to be a real Shinigami.
I can't wait to see the real Zangetsu.]
You state:
"Wrong. Ichigo will never BE a "shinigami."
So Ichigo is NOT a Shinigami but IS a Hollow by your own statements? Oh wait... Ichigo is not a Shinigami because you state: "he is something above shinigami/quincy/hollow thing..." Since you love to use the word logic... what logic is behind your statements, hm? You state that Ichigo cannot be a Shinigami because he transcends each entity, including hollow, that resides in him. By that same Logic, Ichigo cannot be a Hollow because he is 'something above shinigami/quincy/HOLLOW thing..." (Is this the Logic of (of) dumb college drop-outs you referred to?
I assume next your going to state that I twisted or misunderstood what you said while typing out many belligerent words.
"Yes, let's yet again use the logic of dumb college drop-outs(hey they did not say it direct, so it doe snot exist~) and ignore the symbolism over how story paralleled both powers and how Aizen was Ichigo's Mayuri, because the story did not shout it to us straight in the face."
"Logic of of dumb college drop-outs..." Too funny, I like this one!
"BECAUSE PERSONIFICATIONS ARE NOT CAUSES, THEY ARE REFLECTIONS. LEARN YOUR GOD DAMN TERMINOLOGY or stop making yourself look dumb."
I guess I'll make my statement back into a question: Which personification is displaying self-doubt? Please include chapter number with reference.
Now, I use the manga to back up what I state; symbolism or not, those are facts based off information provided to us.
Next I would like to point out that hungry_bunny had a reasonable conclusion and interpretation of this chapter. You state to him, "You are drawing wrong conclusions out of right narrative." [I lolz at the 'right narrative' part. Tite Kubo publishes wrong narrative?] So I argue your statement that hungry_bunny is wrong while you provide no true reference to your accusations. I give you facts backed with reference and you give me your INTERPRETATION of symbolism. Did not hungry_bunny give his INTERPRETATION as well? I refute your argument and you attempt to shame me. So what does that make you while you decry hungry_bunny's speculations?
- #52
Can't imagine that his powers where that rstricted. I mean after his fight with Uluqiorra Unohana said that his reiatsu could rival a captain's. And that time he had just half of it. It would be a little of the charts if Ichigo's reiatsu that time was only a part of his real one. I think that the restriction only took effect on Ichigo's zanpakto abilities. That would explain why he only could use Getsuga Tensho, because he wasn't using his real zanpakto. So maybe now he gets unique zanpakto abilities for shikai and bankai and that is his real power. Any other way would be far to ridiculous.
He already was using them, just limited. WHich actually explains the powerboost in FGT form - "Zangetsu" said "fuck it" and allowed more power to be used.
So we will see something akin to FGT-Ichigo, possibly even stronger since while FGT Ichigo had most likely full access to his power reserve, the quincy part was still split apart.
hikitani said:
White flash?? So instead of using that cool black Getsuga Tenshou he'll use a white one? -_- nice chapter anyway
Unlikely considering GT originated from Hichigo, implying that black GT is his shinigami ability.
RollsRoyce said:
Zangetsu wasn't actually Juha Bach but a part of the Quincy thingy that integrates into the true form of Zangetsu. Is that right?
In that case, we will see how the actual one looks like then.
We already seen him:
- #56
Juha Bach and his white-haired companion are the ones that are over-powered, they split his bankai in half without even trying. This kind of power-up is a minimum if he's going to fight on equal terms.
With that said, is this enough? Old Zangetsu's reasons for holding Ichigo back are interesting... it's like the inner Juha Bach had the same hatred for shinigami as the real Juha Bach, as if not only Juha Bach's reiatsu was transferred to his descendants, but his memories as well.
And yet again, another small hint that Juha Bach has some control over his descendants. First he robs all the "halflings" of their strength (Ichigo's and Ishida's mothers) and then he manages to "summon" Ichigo... maybe Ishida is being mind-controlled as well. I wonder if Ichigo is capable of even fighting the real Juha Bach...
