Bleach Chapter 535 Discussion

NEKO-est said:
LOL, I thought that they would have to transfer the Hollow into another body or something, and that would be how Ichigo was born ... Can't wait for the next chapter~!

And how could Ichigo get his powers of fullbringer and Vizard ?

Amazing chapter with multiple questions answered

5/5

lindsayzzz said:
Masaki x Isshin, too awesome <3

Now we know how Isshin lost his powers. So I'm guessing that if Misaki dies then he gets his power as a Shinigami again, right?

This chapter sort of infringes on the concept of shinigami and hollows being two sides of the same coin as previously explained during the arrancar arc. How come shinigamification(hollows becoming arrancar) doesn't require all this soul balancing? Hollows like Starrk can naturally cross the boundary between souls just by being powerful enough to remove their mask, and don't require human & quincy energy to stabilize them. Fullbringers which are part human and part hollow don't require any shinigami or quincy energy to balance them out either.....

amenboy972 said:


It proves nothing, and like I said earlier : maybe Masaki was unfaithful with Isshin and Ichigo was born from that. Or Maybe Juha Bach learnt what happened to Masaki (the wound of the hollow, the spiritual link with Isshin) and decided to create a super quincy (his son). I think it's for this reason that Juha Bach wants to have Aizen in his team. I'm sure that he wanted Aizen hollowifizes some quincies by using the hogyoku to make them stronger. You are going to be awfully disappointed.

Maybe ichigo is direct successor of soul king? Just kidding. I like 'what if' but don't overdo.

Lets sums up Ishin & Bach relations to Ichigo(plus(+) for Ishin, minus(-) for Bach):



+Aizen once said "You are son of shinigami and..." [and Quincy(we know that now)]. Take into account that we have know that Aizen is 'smart guy'. He knows most of things. He said that he have been watching Ichigo from his birth.

-Bach said: "You are my son born in the darkness"



+ he can do bankai & shikai that resemble Ishin's bankai(name)

- he can do blut vene(forgot correct name) or can go through this 'quincy cage'[chapter with Kirge] that only(?) new quincies are using, but still it's relationship one(ichigo) to many(Bach & his guys)



+ does Ishin resemble Ishin's relative... Kaien(?)

- Zangetsu resembles Bach



This the facts that you 'can' take into account. What we both see that Ishin & Masaki is good characters, so it's less likely for both of them to being unfaithful.

amenboy972 said:
j0x said:
amenboy972 said:


j0x said:


Wikia said Fullbringers have mothers that was attacked and injured by Hollows so in a way their mothers was infected by hollows, thats why i came to that conclusion that Fullbringers are hollowfication of humans (or maybe hollowfication of human offspring is the better definition)

1- Wikia isn't a reference.

2- you mixed two things :

- the fullbringers are humans whom the mother was attacked by a hollow before their birth and the reishi (spiritual particle) of the hollow stayed in the soul of the mother (chapter 433).

-A hollowification is a mixing between a hollow and another soul or another spiritual being : quincy, human, shinigami (chapter 535). You can notice all the characters of the manga who can use the hollowification (Vizard and Arrancar) got this power from Aizen Sosuke, except Kuugo Ginjo who stole ichigo's reiatsu to use it.



1. Wikia is as good as Wikipedia since i know some of its members are from AnimeSuki forums that got their sources directly from 2chan the largest forum of japan and also they can read and understand japanese



2. that is the same thing you are describing, that brings back that Fullbringers are just hollowfication of humans is just the process of hollowfizing humans is different than how you hollowfized shinigamis (or Vaizards), fullbringers have mothers that are infected by hollows and they pass down the hollow genes/DNA to their child and then that child will become a fullbringer that is human mix with hollow blood or hollowfied human



and also Arrancars are not hollowfication they are more like Shinigamification of Hollows from the way i understand that Arrancar term

1 - The data on wikia are written by anyone, you can believe it if you wants, but it's nothing for me.

2 - A fullbringer is a human who got reishi of hollow in his soul by heredity (from his mother). It's not a mixing between a hollow and human soul. And a fullbringer never suffered of the "soul suicide" because the mother was attacked by a normal hollow like Tatsuki and Shizuru and not a special hollow created by Aizen like Masaki.

A fullbringer have only powers and a reiatsu of fullbringer (except Ginjo and Ichigo). It's for this reason Ichigo's shihakusho changed when Rukia stabbed him to get back his power.

http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/461/5



A  Vizard and a Arrancar have a reiatsu of shinigami and hollow (the same type of reiatsu) and they both can use their powers (zanpakuto, cero). When Ichigo fought Grimmjow in Las Noche, Hallibel said : It's like a fight between two espadas.

http://www.mangareader.net/94-736-6/bleach/chapter-282.html



The hollowification or hollomorphose is a word created by Aizen, it means the mixing between a hollow and another soul, motsly between shinigami and hollow. He said it in the chapter 175, but this word is often used to call the power of the vizard (when they put their mask).



kirby_422 said:
amenboy972 said:
Juha Bach said in the chapter 514, that he is Ichigo's father and it's enough for me.

If that's irrefutable evidence, then you must also agree that Isshin is the only one who could be the father, since in 448 both Isshin and Urahara both labeled Isshin as Ichigos father. The whole 'Parent robbing their son of their future' stuff.

you have no proof ! Ichigo can be Isshin's foster son.





wow dude your hopeless



there is tons of evidence that says isshin is the father. but you would rather believe the very small amount of evidence that says juha could be his father or an ancestor.



like i said when juha said that ichigo is his son born in darkness he doesn't mean it literally.



all he is saying is that ichigo is quincy and that he has a dark past. what about his past is so dark well other then the controversy about Isshin (soul reaper) and Masaki (quincy) starting a life together and Masaki being infected by a hollow we dont really know.

@amenboy972:



When Ichigo took Rukia's power, it was explained that the reason why he tooks so much of it that it would make Rukia loses her power for a while is because his - already existing - inner Shinigami power amplified it.

When Ichigo lost Rukia's power, Urahara trained him in order to awake the power that was always sleeping inside of him.

This resulted in bringing both the Shinigami and Hollow power he inherited from his parents.

So here's why Isshin is Ichigo's father:

Since Masaki is hosting HollowIchigo and is said to have definitively given birth to Ichigo we can assure that she is really his mother.

Since the mother does not have any Shinigami power to pass down (since she comes from a 'pure quincy bloodline'), it is evident that the Shinigami power Ichigo inherited comes from his father's side.

Juha Bach does not possess Shinigami power which rule him out.

Isshin is the one that married Masaki and the one that is Ichigo's father.



Also since Masaki comes from a pure quincy bloodline it is very likely that she is Bach's descendant which in return also make Ichigo his descendant. When Bach said that Ichigo was his 'son' he didn't mean it literally, he meant it in a more 'spiritual' way.



I hope this clear up this useless debate that isn't even a debate because we can logically deduct the answer with what have been given.

That chapter doesn't proof Ishin is Ichigo's dad, maybe Masaki was unfaithful with Isshin and Ichigo was born from that.