Bleach Chapter 535 Discussion
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amenboy972 said:
NEKO-est said:
LOL, I thought that they would have to transfer the Hollow into another body or something, and that would be how Ichigo was born ... Can't wait for the next chapter~!
And how could Ichigo get his powers of fullbringer and Vizard ?
Aren't those just mutations? Fullbringers and Visards are souls exposed to hollow reiatsu. Fullbringers are humans that had parents exposed to hollow reiatsu - not sure if parents had to be pregnant at the time of exposure. Visards are shinigami that also got some hollow reiatsu injected into their spiritual body. Where in case of Visards a special treatment is needed or else their soul will explode and vanish as Urahara stated (soul suicide), fullbringers are not affected by that (or maybe they are if they get way to power hungry?).
For some reason Ginjo is a mystery. Must be that being fullbringer somehow gave him the immunity to soul suicide. Otherwise he would be Human - hollow - shinigami mix. Plot hole?
What is so different about Quincy and Fullbringers? One can bend material world to his will and the other can draw power from spiritual world.
Are there two types of Quincy? Humans like Masaki and Ishida family being one and then Juha Bach and his sidekicks being the other?
Would Whitey become perfect Shinigami x Hollow had he removed his mask like arrancars do?
The fullbringer didn't suffer of the soul suicide because they got reiatsu from a normal hollow and not by special hollow created fo the hollowification.
The real mystery on Ginjo is how he got his powers of shinigami... Did a shinigami stab him like Ichigo ?
A quincy can use spiritual particles, but a fullbringer can't do it. When Ichigo, Ishida and Sado went to the Hueco Mundo for the first time, Sado used the way (made of spiritual particles) created by Ichigo.
The fullbringer can use the soul of a object to create a weapon or the soul of the matter (water, earth/ground, air) to move quickly or easily (to climb, to jum up, to fly).
I think there are traditional quincies (Ishida Ruyken, Masaki) and modern quincies like the Vandereich according to Kirge Opie's words, during his fight against Ichigo.
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Maybe we can just drop the Juha Bach - Ichigo relationship? This chapter confirmed that Isshin is Ichigo's dad. Stop it before it gets more ridiculous.
I wonder if Urahara will be successful though. Cuz Masaki died, maybe his theory weren't enough?
Masaki died when the Grand Fischer attacked.... What has it got to do with hollowfication???
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Please explain to me something guys....
If Juha Bach is a quincy(a human) and he fought Yamamoto and the original Gotei 13 1000 years back, how in hell is he still ALIVE???????????????????
Humans don't live for a 100 years, not even in Bleach...! :/
I wrote the answer in my previous post.
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amenboy972 said:
j0x said:
Wikia said Fullbringers have mothers that was attacked and injured by Hollows so in a way their mothers was infected by hollows, thats why i came to that conclusion that Fullbringers are hollowfication of humans (or maybe hollowfication of human offspring is the better definition)
1- Wikia isn't a reference.
2- you mixed two things :
- the fullbringers are humans whom the mother was attacked by a hollow before their birth and the reishi (spiritual particle) of the hollow stayed in the soul of the mother (chapter 433).
-A hollowification is a mixing between a hollow and another soul or another spiritual being : quincy, human, shinigami (chapter 535). You can notice all the characters of the manga who can use the hollowification (Vizard and Arrancar) got this power from Aizen Sosuke, except Kuugo Ginjo who stole ichigo's reiatsu to use it.
1. Wikia is as good as Wikipedia since i know some of its members are from AnimeSuki forums that got their sources directly from 2chan the largest forum of japan and also they can read and understand japanese
2. that is the same thing you are describing, that brings back that Fullbringers are just hollowfication of humans is just the process of hollowfizing humans is different than how you hollowfized shinigamis (or Vaizards), fullbringers have mothers that are infected by hollows and they pass down the hollow genes/DNA to their child and then that child will become a fullbringer that is human mix with hollow blood or hollowfied human
and also Arrancars are not hollowfication they are more like Shinigamification of Hollows from the way i understand that Arrancar term
1 - The data on wikia are written by anyone, you can believe it if you wants, but it's nothing for me.
2 - A fullbringer is a human who got reishi of hollow in his soul by heredity (from his mother). It's not a mixing between a hollow and human soul. And a fullbringer never suffered of the "soul suicide" because the mother was attacked by a normal hollow like Tatsuki and Shizuru and not a special hollow created by Aizen like Masaki.
A fullbringer have only powers and a reiatsu of fullbringer (except Ginjo and Ichigo). It's for this reason Ichigo's shihakusho changed when Rukia stabbed him to get back his power.
http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/461/5
A Vizard and a Arrancar have a reiatsu of shinigami and hollow (the same type of reiatsu) and they both can use their powers (zanpakuto, cero). When Ichigo fought Grimmjow in Las Noche, Hallibel said : It's like a fight between two espadas.
http://www.mangareader.net/94-736-6/bleach/chapter-282.html
The hollowification or hollomorphose is a word created by Aizen, it means the mixing between a hollow and another soul, motsly between shinigami and hollow. He said it in the chapter 175, but this word is often used to call the power of the vizard (when they put their mask).
kirby_422 said:
amenboy972 said:
Juha Bach said in the chapter 514, that he is Ichigo's father and it's enough for me.
If that's irrefutable evidence, then you must also agree that Isshin is the only one who could be the father, since in 448 both Isshin and Urahara both labeled Isshin as Ichigos father. The whole 'Parent robbing their son of their future' stuff.
you have no proof ! Ichigo can be Isshin's foster son.
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Juha Bach said in the chapter 514, that he is Ichigo's father and it's enough for me.
If that's irrefutable evidence, then you must also agree that Isshin is the only one who could be the father, since in 448 both Isshin and Urahara both labeled Isshin as Ichigos father. The whole 'Parent robbing their son of their future' stuff.
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astrozombie84 said:
lol dude all ur doing is grasping at straws. but whatever believe what you want.
we will all find out the truth eventually, probably in the next chapter or 2
i request you stop the bashing your are just provoking too much (you are doing this for almost all threads) and trolling is just an overuse word for your behavior, can you just normally discuss things? or that is your normal mode? we get it you think your superior because you think literally about the manga but their are still mysteries on this manga so guessing is never a SIN/CRIME
and also Juha Bach relation to Ichigo will never be disprove unless we see Juha Bach's backstory or flashback
ok i never said Juha wasn't ichigo's relative in fact i could see him being the grandfather or something like a distinct ancestor. i just dont believe for a second that Juha is the father.
yes bleach does still have many mysteries and no i dont have anything against guessing. if the guess is a logical one. of course kubo does troll sometimes like with the whole isshin/FGT thing. still tho i dont think he is gonna make anyone other then isshin ichigo's father. to be honest if that did happen i would be majorly disappointed. as far as the trolling its kind of a bad habit i developed from this online game, everyone that plays that game is a troll except the nubs of course.
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Maybe we can just drop the Juha Bach - Ichigo relationship? This chapter confirmed that Isshin is Ichigo's dad.
Why ? this chapter only explains how Isshin lost his powers and why Isshin could not go back to the Soul Society.
When Grand fisher Killed Masaki, Isshin wasn't near to her. Maybe the link between Masaki and Isshin could extend in all the Karakura Town.
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Maybe we can just drop the Juha Bach - Ichigo relationship? This chapter confirmed that Isshin is Ichigo's dad. Stop it before it gets more ridiculous.
I wonder if Urahara will be successful though. Cuz Masaki died, maybe his theory weren't enough?
There is no reason to drop the relationship, because we still don't know who are the parents of Misaki. So there is a great chance that Juha Bach is grandfather of Ichigo.
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How Urahara cures/deals with hollowfication
Why Isshin lost his powers
Why Isshin can't go back to Soul Society
Also how i see the reishi string is that, its a tunnel between the two of them connecting them with isshin's body being a constant medicine keeping the hollow inside Masaki dormant and in check so it doesn't run rampant and kill her.