Bleach Chapter 514 Discussion

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  • #138
Zogundar said:
In light of this new revelation, I went back and checked some old chapters that might be relevant.



1) We don't see Grand Fisher kill Masaki

If it had been Grand Fisher, why didn't it eat both her and Ichigo? We're to believe it killed her, left her body, left Ichigo, and then left the scene? At the very least someone had to have interfered to make him retreat. Unlikely to have been Isshin based on his later confrontation with Grand Fisher. I guess it COULD have been Masaki herself, (We have no way of knowing her strength level) but the way she seemed to be shielding Ichigo suggests to me a last resort that still requires the presence of some outside assistance to actually defeat or deter the attacker. Unless, of course, the attacker was not a Hollow..



2) Grand Fisher didn't remember Masaki or Ichigo

It was only able to recreate Masaki's form after extracting the memory from Ichigo. This may or may not be important.



3) Isshin regrets not being able to save her - at a different time?

The translators notes here make me wonder if they were wrong to second guess Kubo like that. Perhaps there's a good reason for this seemingly inconsistent line.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v22/c188/9.htmlIn the early spoilers Kubo mentioned he'll talk about something like "the truth behind Masaki's death", so yea there's something like that to it, also, the same page you're talking about was in the early spoilers, here it is (the first page of the early spoilers, the part you're talking about is at the end):




On another note, from that same page Grand Fisher said that Ichigo's father is a shinigami, so either Bach was a shinigami or he's not Ichigo's father, Isshin is. Or it's something more than that.
 
  • #139
This chapter was on another level........ It was like a bomb just blew into your face!!

Seriosuly did not see the ending coming. Lol Darth vader, but I hope he's not his real son, Juha just pisses me off. I wonder how it's going ot be explaine hope most of it next chapter.
 
  • #140
I swear, Kubo must read message boards to get ideas
 
  • #141
^Ishida WILL play a big role. On the coloured pages at the begining of the arc he was the central figure. This arc will be huge so don't be hasty to say that. ;)
 
  • #142
ichigo: "after you just shit on soul society.

Do you fucks really think I'll let you leave unscathed..?"

hahaha the first sentence is classic comedy gold.

interesting...Im sure Juha's not his father..
 
  • #144
Glad to know that Juha/Zangetsu similarity might as well not be random. Still, I always thought that Ishin and Ichigo kinda looked alike, unlike some other situations where the father and the son in anime are nothing similar. Guess I was wrong. Well, nvm, Ishin will give Ichigo a headbut and tell him you are my son, then Ichigo will say to Juha you're not my father, kill him and all's well.
 
  • #145
Well, this ensures Royal Guards hating Ichigo and three way war. No way will the "oldschool" shinigami let someone from Bach's family line to survive.





Bach was most likely part of some important quincy family line and Ichigo is the grandson of that.



It looks more and more likely that Bach might have been soul king who got expelled by whatever "thing" Royal Guards put instead of him.





This also would explain Grand Fisher's comments about Ichigo being "of true blood" - of both shinigami and quincy heritage, he is pretty much an unifier and the middle of both sides.



And the chance of Aizen and Ichigo tag-teaming Bach goes up yet again.



(It would be hilarious on if Aizen is Isshin's brother or something like that.)
 
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