Bleach Chapter 514 Discussion

holy fuck, Aizen knew about it from the start....it's all starting to make sense now, why Isshin stopped him and all >:3!



lol @ all the people that are still in denial about it also lol that you're completely missing the big picture.



from this chapter, Juha is Ichigo's father....the fact that Ichigo is part quincy as well proves it.



HOWEVER, his quincy part comes his mother because Juha himself was a shinigami before being a quincy (no quincy can live over a thousand years people, get it through your head already...it's common sense)



Look at these panels where Ichigo asks if Juha is the "enemy"








Take a look at lord toofsy's reaction....he obviously knew that Ichigo had his facts wrong










Also Juha was planning on using words alone to convince him cause after all, he didn't want to hurt his own son.



This is further confirmed by toofsy's face reaction when Juha stabbed Ichigo's neck...basically he couldn't believe Bach would do that to his own son.










Bach looked more like he was in pain when he stabbed his neck and he left him alive so even if his powers didn't awaken he would still survive the trip to the castle so it wasn't a fatal wound (yeah right, a stab to the throat isn't a fatal wound...oh bleach)



But the biggest hits are from the latest chapter








His last words, "my son...born in darkness"



It means that Ichigo grew up without knowing shit about his real lineage, so he grew up in a world of lies.



This also explains why Bach also went to Aizen since Aizen was prob there when Ichigo was born










I always wondered why doesn't Isshin go to SS and after reading this chapter I think that he's a traitor....not in the king's eyes but in the eyes of SS's higher-ups.



This is what I think happened.



Remember that 'pure blood' bs grand fisher was spouting about?



Well, I think that even tho shinigami and quincy are teachings, one can be born with quincy OR shinigami blood based on what teaching the soul mastered.



As the soul trains, its reiatsu adapts to the teaching in question so if the soul trains in the quincy arts, it'll have quincy reiatsu and if it trains in the shinigami arts, it'll have shinigami reiatsu.



That much we know but Bach mentioned something else.








So from what Bach was saying, a person can be born a quincy or a shinigami if the father or mother in question mastered the quincy or the shinigami arts since the reiatsu in the genetic material stores itself in the fetus at a DNA level resulting in that child being born with quincy 'blood' or shinigami 'blood' a.k.a 'pure' blood.



So based on that if Ichigo's mother was a quincy and the father would be a random human, he would of been born half quincy half human



If both parents were quincy, he would have 100% quincy blood (pure blood)



In this case Ichigo is born from a quincy and shinigami so he's a hybrid BUT he's still considered 'pure' because his parents were 'pure' bloods and not souls that recently mastered the quincy/shinigami arts.



It might be a loooooooooooooooong shot but here's my pov.



Bach was the former soul king and was a shinigami by birth. Lord toofsy (Haschwald) was his right hand so that also makes him a shinigami.



Along the way Bach fell in love with Ichigo's mother (who was a quincy) and Bach got her pregnant



Isshin was part of Bach's royal guard (either his personal guard or a member of squad zero)



Somewhere along the lines, news that Bach got Masaki spread and the higher-ups (central 46 most prob) saw their child as an 'abomination' (because they feared the power it would harbor) so they ordered it to be terminated.



This didn't sit well with Bach who protested and shit and it got out of hand and before you knew it war broke down on the quincy and shinigami



At some point the higher-ups decided to 'relieve' Bach of his duties as 'king' and ordered squad zero to assassinate him.



Squad zero stormed the castle at which point Bach had to make a decision. He prob ordered Isshin to look after Masaki and make sure no harm comes to her while he and a few other loyal member made their way somewhere else.



That's why Aizen kept saying that the throne is vacant because there currently is no king in SS



The IT that Aizen and Urahara were talking about is prob an abomination or something along those lines that act's like a stabilizing agent so that the boundaries don't collapse on each-other.



I really don't know how Aizen fits into the picture...he prob learned of his birth or was there when it happened...i dunno.



Bach most likely learned the quincy teachings after falling in love with Masaki

lucariogx said:
j0x said:


                        what the fuck? Juha Bach is Ichigo's real father? lol



I never see that coming... darth vader anyone? xD

lool xD

o snap. u dont talk about my momma son. my mind is literraly ufll of fuck right now and its not because of my chemistry work

Kanic said:
kizu-kun said:
In the fullbring arc we saw Chad go through a brutal training session in order to grow stronger and possibly gain a new level of power

Zekken said:
wait what? what training did chad go through?



I forgot that as well. Honestly, now that kizu has mentioned it I only have the impression that it did happen but I don't remember a single panel/quote from Chad saying I'm training with the Xcutions



Yeah, he did train but he always trained alone. They set up his own room but everything else is off screen. All we can really assume is he got stronger, but we never really get to see that in the Fullbring arc since the whole mind-fuck screwed with him and Orihime's heads, but no we don't actually "see" Chad go through some brutal training. We just know that he did training off-screen.



Depends on what you think it means to train with Xcution, I mean they set him up a game training room but he did all his training alone. So in a way he did get help from Xcution for a suitable environment to get stronger, but everything else was all up to Chad.

Kanic said:
Is bleach on  break or sth?

Wondering this as well. There was no mention of a break on this chapter. Maybe it's just releasing a bit late. Are there any websites that have countdowns for manga releases?

Right.... awesome chapter but i am still confused...So Juha Bach is ichigo's father? was his mother also a Quincy... so how is he a shinigami amongst other things? D:

Looking on the bright side here: we now can have Karin becoming a badass. If Tite does that, the manga is saved.

Ichigo was never a hollow. It's his power that split into Zangetsu and Hollow. Ichigo nearly died in the shattered shaft. If he haven't found he right ribbon with Zangetsu he would turn into hollow. Because he made it in the last moment his Shinigami / human side became dominant.



Zangetsu goal was to protect Ichigo, Hollow goal was to protect Ichigo but by different method. This happened in fight with Ulquiorra. Hollow took over fully to protect Ichigo - why did he give up and regenerate Ichigo once he lost a horn? Maybe that is when Tensa Zangetsu managed to restrain and subjugate his rebellious side. Hollow kept Ichigo alive out of his twisted sense of duty to protect or just cause of survival instinct. Both had same goal in the end. Keep Ichigo safe. In FGT training they merge for the sole reason to protect Ichigo and themselves.



Fullbring and Quincy art are probably the same in its source. Quincy have this voldsanding or something. Fullbringers once their power activated changed their outfit. They all used a medium be it the cross, boots or PSP ^_^ Riruka used her gun or heart for the activation. Ginjou had different cross and Shinigami badge.



In the end Ichigo is Human born from relationship of Shinigami and Quincy inheriting their powers. Visard, Fullbring are just sub stages in his development.