Bleach Chapter 510 Discussion

Fai said:
Candor said:


On a side note, didn't anyone think those flash-backs were weird? I mean these guys were born with that ability, and from what I remember Kirge said " The king gave my ability me the letter J for 'the Jail'".



Letters are just classifications it seems. Juha either enhanced the powers or just categorized them, but did not give them themI meant their identity, if they are born with that ability (which is not like a shinigami's) that makes me think that these, most of Bach's subordinates, are probably humans, Fullbringers to be more precise.



Ragix said:
lolwutfool said:
Ragix said:
Kenpachi does not have shikai. The shikai is the released form of a zanpakuto and Kenpachi's zanpakuto refuses to work with him since he's only treated it as an instrument to kill.



Gekizoku said:
Kenpachi does not have shikai because you need to know your sword's name for that. Kenpachi's sword is sealed.



No his sword is not sealed...his Zanpaktou is already in Shikai it's released form like Ichigo due to the vast amount of reiatsu they posses. They both have no sealed states.

Zaraki just can't use his Shikais true power since he doesn't know his Zanpaktou's name.



He mentions it not being sealed in 109...and Yoruichi clarifies it already being it in his released form when she's training Ichi for Bankai Chapter 120.



Yes, but the Shikai always has some special ability that comes with it. Ichigo's sword may always be "released" but remember, that ability that comes with his Shikai is Getsuga Tensho.



Kenpachi does not have any sort of ability like that. In a sense it's always in a dormant state since Kenpachi treated his Zanpakuto so poorly.



We can't necessarily say that it's in its released form either. It could be it might not we were never told that and may never know unless Kenpachi makes amends with it. His vast reiatsu is ALL his own. Like I said earlier the zanpakuto absolutely refuses to help him in any way. Meaning all of his Zanpakuto's power does not help him one bit. It literally is just a sword since he treated it like nothing but a weapon to kill. Unlike Ichigo where his great power comes from him and his zanpakuto and the bond they forged.

Ichigo was able to use Getsuga Tensho because he knew his zanpakuto's name, Kenpachi don't know his. From wikia (there's info from official character books there) it states clearly that Kenpachi's sword is in shikai and in the manga he says "this is the true form of my zanpakuto", if you consider that bankai & shikai wasn't introduced at that time then that pretty much means his zanpakuto is in shikai.

Aizen again :D

Trexx25 said:
Wow! I just realized something, so follow me here. If in fact the Quincies and Bachs true purpose is to get into the next realm where the Soul King is, just like Aizens intention was to do the same thing. Well someone made the point that only the captain commander knows the true location of the Key to open up dimensions, and it is passed down verbally and is stored in each captain commanders memories.



WELL the Quincies DO have a way of getting that information. Either Royd or Loyd, i can't remember which, can steal the memories of anyone they want and even imitate someones appearance!! So why didn't the real JuhaBach come to the rescue, and steal Yama's BK before he killed Royd??? Then he could have wounded Yama enough as to not kill him, but make it so that he couldn't fight back.



Then he could have had Royd steal Yama's Memories, and by doing so would reveal the location of the Soul Key! We know Yama knows it's location, And we Know Royd could get to it via copying Yama's Memories. Anyone agree???



If Bach is indeed after the key then Kubo-fail

Puty said:
http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/506/7

His opponent charged at Yama, so that means he defeated Rose.

Now one can see my concern about the other fights and the way they can be handled



Oh snap...I don't think I even noticed that before LOL... :facepalm:



Well...I would like to know what happened to Rose and how that guy got away...but as implied...obvious reason would be his defeat. Though being one of the Vaizard you wouldn't exactly expect it from him...

Mhmm guess we can just hope they might show it later....though there's no guarantee ofc...



Though I see what your tryna get at.

It was an impostor and the real Juha killed (?) Yamamoto.



Aizen is confirmed as one of the war potentials, we have one left, who could it be?

Zhou said:
It was an impostor and the real Juha killed (?) Yamamoto.



Aizen is confirmed as one of the war potentials, we have one left, who could it be?Actually there is still 2 not one, Yamamoto is not confirmed as a war potential.



Looks like all Yamamoto's theories about Bankai are nonsense, he was just jumping to conclusions and underestimating the opponent, and that was the end of him.



Aizen is back? or didn't Bach free him? I was expecting to see him today. If Aizen is out of prison then Kyouka Suigutsui is active and SS are gonna be mindfucked tremendously, Bach and Aizen are probably gonna double-team Yamamoto and kill him. If Bach was planning to let  Aizen join his team then they have the same goals, opening the spirit realm, and now that there are 2 main villain, who will be able to stop them?

lolwutfool said:
Ragix said:
Kenpachi does not have shikai. The shikai is the released form of a zanpakuto and Kenpachi's zanpakuto refuses to work with him since he's only treated it as an instrument to kill.



Gekizoku said:
Kenpachi does not have shikai because you need to know your sword's name for that. Kenpachi's sword is sealed.



No his sword is not sealed...his Zanpaktou is already in Shikai it's released form like Ichigo due to the vast amount of reiatsu they posses. They both have no sealed states.

Zaraki just can't use his Shikais true power since he doesn't know his Zanpaktou's name.



He mentions it not being sealed in 109...and Yoruichi clarifies it already being it in his released form when she's training Ichi for Bankai Chapter 120.



Yes, but the Shikai always has some special ability that comes with it. Ichigo's sword may always be "released" but remember, that ability that comes with his Shikai is Getsuga Tensho.



Kenpachi does not have any sort of ability like that. In a sense it's always in a dormant state since Kenpachi treated his Zanpakuto so poorly.



We can't necessarily say that it's in its released form either. It could be it might not we were never told that and may never know unless Kenpachi makes amends with it. His vast reiatsu is ALL his own. Like I said earlier the zanpakuto absolutely refuses to help him in any way. Meaning all of his Zanpakuto's power does not help him one bit. It literally is just a sword since he treated it like nothing but a weapon to kill. Unlike Ichigo where his great power comes from him and his zanpakuto and the bond they forged.

I meant the people who start bashing just for the sake of it without thinking, there are lots of those, so no I didn't mean you, I know your PoV about what's going on after-all and now you've said it again. I got a bit driven again my bad, let's hope for a better rest of the arc anyway.