Bleach Chapter 510 Discussion
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- #2
Han-yuu said:
Now that you mention it, for an arc that will last for another 5 years a lot happened till now. I've said it a hundred times already, the arc is still in its beginning, stop rushing things. When Tobi was revealed people raged and naruto fans started going give kishimoto a chance to explain things after he was teasing with Tobi for years and people felt trolled with the outcome, so how about giving Kubo a chance? The arc started 31 chapters ago and it's supposed to last for another 5 years. I'm not saying Kubo's writing is god-like, but just like you want us to give kishimoto a chance then give Kubo a chance. If you have no patience and can't endure what's happening then seriously I hate to say that but stop reading this if you think it's not worth your time, there are always better manga out there that are worth it.
I think there is a very big difference between those two events. People were jumping to conclusions like it's not possible, so there were posts like give him a chance to explain. Did you see post like that in other topics.
- "Kabuto flashback was so bad" - "Please. give him a chance"
- "Fight between Madara and Hokages so bad" - "Please, give him a chance"
- "Whole ninja war sucks" - "Give him a chance"
No. If someone think they were really bad then okay. thats your opinion but i won't say they need an explanation or author need a chance to prove. But there are things like. Why no one important died until now. Yes. that's deserved a chance because things are still on-going. it's not over yet.
BUT we don't need an explanation here for what's happening right now. Let me ask Byakuya lost without putting up a fight because the other guy was too overpowered, Kenpachi defeated three and lost in only 2 pages and Yamamoto lost after showing bankai against a fake need an explanation? Yamamoto bankai was amazing but did it get proper action? He strike once and cut the ground. Then he released trillions of corpses and defeated a fake juhabach in an instant. It was again power kill and It was fine once the real one came but he was not able to defend himself at all.
Yes. there will be lots of stuff if it's going to run 5 years but how will i remember this fight? Will it be similar to byakuya vs ichigo? Nope or Lets give kubo a chance, how will kubo explain this except that enemy boss was even more over powered or yamamoto just got too emotional because of his vice-captain death? I think that doesn't explain the actual fight and its not someone fodder we're talking about.
Also You can't expect everyone to agree and happy with the things going on. Anyone is welcome to reply and defend it with the logic but that's not the point "if you don't like it just drop it". Bleach was my favorite shounen along with other two and i defended it many times over the years but then it lost it style in FKT. Still it's not on the stage for me where i think this is just gone beyond hope otherwise i would definitely do that as i dropped so many other things even after years. So yes i'm giving Kubo lots of chances BUT there are other peoples who don't like to drop anything at all, so replying with that line is not something you want to do when you can do much better. I would've agree a little bit if someone is completely hating on it and try to nitpick every single thing but i don't think i'm the one of them. I try to explain myself very thoroughly.
- #3
lNo only Yama know's the location of the key. Therefore the only other known way to get it is way Aizen was going to. If there's a separate way...who knows...Or Bach could try to beat the location out of him (Assuming he doesn't kill him.)
Or maybe his Bankai is the key. Oops!
- #4
Nope. I was giving an example as that's how i wanted. When did he injured stern ritter? As far as i remember he was not even able to touch him and he didn't even try his best like using kidos etc which he's good at.
He used Senbonzakura a little bit: http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/496/7
Small injury~ But yea after his Bankai was stolen he became helpless it seems.
Puty said:
For example - Kensei vs WonderWeiss - for Kubo that fight never happened, Kubo didn't even bother to show defeated Kensei(like in the very current case with Rose).
Was Rose actually defeated? I just don't remember seeing him getting beaten...I remember the 4 captains who used Bankai were Byakuya, Toshiro, Komamaru, Soi Fon...the fodder people who were newly introduced and some vice captains also got beaten..oh Kenpachi to.
But I don't actually remember seeing Rose down or anything...last time he was shown he was just abotu to fight that Sternritter and it ended like that?
Coirrect me if I'm wrong though~
Lord_Jon_Snow said:
RELEASE THE KRAKEN !!!
Your mistaking this for the One Piece section...there's no Surume up in Bleach :P
- #7
Having lost his arm his arm against Aizen didn't teach him any lesson. I guess being an old fart full of himself doesn't serve his cause, he is just so strong that he can't even imagine one can come up with a good strategy to beat his face up.
I found Aizen's strategy of catalysing Yamamoto's fire to burst it in his face more subtle but Juha Back was able to beat him up at least with his.
- #8
wonder why aizen refused to join with Juha? But why would anyone even want aizen anymore, he's lost his zanpaktou and the hongyoku has rejected him.
Well he still is a master of Kido and he has supreme strength. Even without the hogyoku and his zanpaktou he can still put a good fight
- #9
You're still jumping to conclusions yourself too, the raid on SS is not over yet, there are lots of things to be explained. Now that I look at it, you're also saying "the so-called war sucks and Kubo's writing sucks too", I see no difference from them, you just explained why it sucks, apparently you're hating the writing and all, so no logical response there. Either way apparently Kubo is trying to rush the beginning of the arc, it's still the beginning of the arc, or would you like another SS or Fullbringer arc beginning? Let's get to your points one by one:
Byakuya - he was defeated with something reasonable, fear from losing Rukia and he was hit 3 times with his Bankai, I see no reason for not remembering that part, we still don't know if he's dead or not.
Yamamoto - That's where I said you're rushing things here, he was trying to end the battle quickly and he raged over Yojiro's death and was underestimating the enemy and he was outsmarted by Bach, but we know no further info, wait until things get explained fully.
Kenpachi - We still don't know what happened and who defeated Kenpachi, is it FBach? is it the blondie and FBach did the finishing blow? Again you're rushing things.
There are lots of things to explain, he explained till now nothing about the reason of the raid or who's bach or why are they attacking or or or... etc, you're still rushing things, no matter where I look at it from, you are still rushing things.
Well allow me to say you're missing logic here. You're saying "it lost its style in FKT". Kubo dragged FKT and did horrible mistakes in FB, so he got himself lots of haters I guess, BUT, did you notice any of the plot-points he threw in FKT and did you ever wonder what's the point of the Fullbringer arc? Again, you're rushing things.
As I said I don't like saying the "drop if you didn't like line", yet I said it, my bad then about that part.
I don't mind arguing with people about how Bleach sucked in the last couple of years, I saw that too, but you're also making hate blind you and you're rushing things.
First of all, i never said this is so-called war and it's sucks. And rushing? I mean.. seriously? i explained myself in very detail, so i won't go and talk about that again but as long as i understand Kubo is rushing things at the moment. War is still ongoing and manga will run for 5 years and in only 16 chapters or so, we have some major SS characters down on the ground. It doesn't matter if they're alive or dead but what happened is that they were not able to get action they deserved. And seriously, you need to read my post again. I never talk about reasoning or why they lost. So all explanation about fear and yojiro's death doesn't make my point invalids. It's okay for them to lose and i'm on the quincy side from the very beginning but what i wanted was to put up some fight. And that's same i wanted in FKT but all of them were one-shotted by Aizen and the ending explanation was that Aizen is just too strong and they were no match. I'm afraid that's same thing going to happen here. Oh. well, i know i'm repeating myself and i guess you don't agree with me. it's okay but what i think is that an action manga should've action where character fight each other. not to show off their secret powers until one goes down.
Recently i have many post in previous topics where i said i really liked this chapter and i think all Yamamoto bankai chapter got 5/5 vote from me. So NO!. i'm not blindly hating but i would say you're blindly loving it that you don't want anyone to make post against anything they don't like in the chapter discussion and label them as hater. Not to mention you can't even make difference between reasonable posts and troll hater posts.
- #13
this chapter made me laugh :P Juha bach had a twin brother. How convenient.
Reminded me of the movie 'beerfest'. If you watched it, you know what i mean
That was just one of the Sternritters mimicking Bachs powers, appearance and memories. Not Bachs actual twin.
Zogundar said:
Hmm, someone remind me, wasn't it Yamamoto who knew where the existing Ouken was? Unless Zero Squad decides to show up on their own, I assume Bach's going to want/need that.
or maybe there's some third way we don't know about, who knows
No only Yama know's the location of the key. Therefore the only other known way to get it is way Aizen was going to. If there's a separate way...who knows...
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On a side note...is it actually stated they want to go to the king realm? Because I just don't remember that part being stated lol...