Bleach Chapter 510 Discussion

I thought it is going to repeat again when they mentioned Aizen..

Luckily, he wont be involved this time.



Goodness. The most powerful shinigami alive has been defeated.

he said that aizen already declined to join them... does that mean there is potential for aizen and ichigo to fight together? and where the hell is grimmjaw? i love those two!!!

can't say im surprised that bach was just a clone, there was already a bit of forshadowing with kenpachi killing someone who could copy someone else so why shouldn't there be someone who could do the same thing on a whole new level?



but i must say, yama got trolled hard :(

Han-yuu said:
BUT one-shot again? I mean why a strong character like yamamoto definitely need his bankai in order to fight. They can use Shikai and Kidos. Didn't Kenpachi defeated three with just shikai.

Exactly. I mean the one person who relies on swordsmanship only was defeated off-screen(Zaraki). But the rest(to this point) relied on Kidou or stuff like that. How can they be so defensless without their bankais? Ukitake can absorb power and fire it back with his shikai, this is some great stuff. Shinji has his vaizard mask(well so did Rose, but apparently he was defeated off-screen as well) so what the hell. I don't know, to me the impact of this stern ritters starts to wear off and action(which is all over the place, yet we don't see anything what's going on around aside from ridiculous attitude from Unohana) is starting to lose its steam.

Trap card activated. Bankai stolen.



Welp, that was expected. Aizen being important though? Didn't expect that.

Ragix said:
Kenpachi does not have shikai. The shikai is the released form of a zanpakuto and Kenpachi's zanpakuto refuses to work with him since he's only treated it as an instrument to kill.



Gekizoku said:
Kenpachi does not have shikai because you need to know your sword's name for that. Kenpachi's sword is sealed.



No his sword is not sealed...his Zanpaktou is already in Shikai it's released form like Ichigo due to the vast amount of reiatsu they posses. They both have no sealed states.

Zaraki just can't use his Shikais true power since he doesn't know his Zanpaktou's name.



He mentions it not being sealed in 109...and Yoruichi clarifies it already being it in his released form when she's training Ichi for Bankai Chapter 120.

Fai said:
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KuroNoKenshi said:
ricky_san said:
It remains true. No one has been stronger than CC. The only way to defeat him is to "outsmart" him. So yes just like Aizen, Bach didn't defeat him str to str. He stole his his Bankai and slash him. CC is also a tanker. I highly doubt he's down with Bach's slash. Let's c next week!



Ichigo after he used the FGT was stronger than Yamamoto, Aizen's transformed form were too.



stronger than sun? i doubt....We actually don't know, but considering that Yama's bankai's reiatsu could destroy SS and Aizen + Ichigo's reiatsu together couldn't affect the atmosphere like Zanka no Tachi did then it seems Yama's bankai is stronger than both.



on other hand Aizen and Ichigo are far more "compressed", far more evolved and are NOT elemental, so no matter how strong they are they would not have any real effects to the atmosphere.



Yamamoto also is just a mere shinigami while Aizen and Ichigo are far beyond the them or any of the hybrids.



It seems to me that base Aizen is sure bellow yamamoto, but everything above condom aizen is above yamamoto and fgt Ichigo is way above the last form of Aizen's.



There simply is no other way for Ichigo to evenly compete with Juha (who is already as strong as yamamoto if not stronger) who also is wielding Yamamoto's own bankai.



Pretty much that.

Aizen stood on a plane higher than a shinigami. Reiatsu wasn't even able to affect him anymore and the only way people could sense his power was if he purposely lowered them to that of a normal shinigami.



The difference between transformed Aizen and Yamamoto is pretty much the same as the difference between a normal (spiritely unaware) human and a shinigami.



Dangai Ichigo was pretty much on the same plane as Aizen and when he used FGT he was on an even higher plane.



Shinigami only use reiatsu so matter how many "flame" he used, these weren't flame.

No matter how much hot it seems and how much this would burn the land, this is still not flame.

His zanpakutou simulate flame, these may do the exact same thing as normal flame but these aren't flame, they are condensed reiatsu in the form of a flame.



My point is, these flame are reiatsu and can be blocked by a stronger force.

A shinigami with an unbeleivable ammount of reiatsu could tank Yama's bankai as long as he has the required ammount of reiatsu to do so.



For Aizen and FGT Ichigo, reiatsu do not matter anymore, they aren't affected by it anymore.

Against FGT Ichigo, Yamamoto's bankai wouldn't make him feel hotter or cooler, it might burn the whole land around him but as it's reiatsu Ichigo will not feel anything. Even if Yamamoto were to use his North on him, Ichigo wouldn't have to lift one finger and this would result in the same thing as the first hit Ichigo ever gave to Kenpachi: not one scratch.

Mugetsu will cut through Yamamoto's armor like butter and slice him into two and he would die, that's how much one sided thing would get if Yamamoto fought seriously FGT Ichigo.



The only way Yamamoto could fight on par with Ichigo is if he can fuse with his zanpakutou as well, but that's pretty much too late considering he got his zanpakutou's soul stolen.

So instead of killing all of goute 13. He ran away to get declined by Aizen and came back saying it wasn't that I can't steal your bankai, it is that he wasn't powerful enough like I am ?



Then why wouldn't he come and kill all of them first ? Must of lied. He can't beat captain yamamoto that's why he ran away to aizen for help. but rejected. but now that he can steal bankai he is showing off ?



Or either kubo needed to trolllololol. So the quincy king killed his own bro and his minions just to show off like light. fail



btw ichigo still sealed ? .....



funny how aizen didn't agree and just kill them all. what a fool. where did your perfect plan go aizen ?

brain freezed after years ?