Bleach Chapter 510 Discussion
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- #155
Kanic said:
You said that you would want the rest of the fights to be like Byakuya's
Where i said that? Byakuya got one chapter, 2 hits and down. Well. It seems like my posts are difficult to understand. I would also like to put a full stop here in this discussion. We will see how much good action Byakuya, Kenpachi and Captain Commander will get in the second half.
No, it's important that I understand. You said:
"As long as there meaningful action like Byakuya is trying his best and injured stern ritter a bit and then lost. I don't think anyone should complain"
From which I assumed that you accepted Byakuya's fight as something that fits your criteria.
- #156
Candor said:
-Shuda- said:
Candor said:
I just read something interesting in that page, "The Arrancar will return in a group", so my guess would be that Grimmjow will bring some Arrancar with him, Vasto Lorde probably.
Technically, a group of Arrancar have already appeared. Loly, Menoly and Haribel's Fraccion. Haribel's being held hostage and Nel is with Ichigo's group. I think Grimmjow won't be bringing any VL with him, nor any underlings, I want to believe he was training in solitude like Vegeta. Once again, Hueco Mundo needs a King, Barragan is gone, Aizen is gone (kind of), It's Grimmjow's time. The fact that only female Arrancar appeared so far is the greatest "here is your harem, now just make a grand entrance yourself" lol.I forgot about those that harem. There are some theories saying he turned into a Vasto Lord so yea he would come alone. There's a potential of Vasto Lorde appearing so let's hope Kubo has something like that in mind.
I really hope so, if he's not at least 10x stronger than before, there's no point. I know power-scaling in Bleach is hopeless but I think Ulquiorra was stronger than the old Kenpachi and Byakuya but weaker than Shunsui. I think if Grimmjow returns he needs to be above "that" Ulquiorra's level, which would definitely require him being a VL, or at least as powerful as the top ones.
Nnoitra is a good example of this, Nel was clearly ranked above him before but he said "don't think the power levels of Espada are the same as back then", which hints that they can still grow, perhaps even drastically.Add to that that Grimmjow has been struggling to become a Vasto Lorde before turning into an Arrancar, but the question is, can an Arrancar evolve from a level to another? I guess we should wait for an answer about that if Grimmjow got some kind of a power-up.
- #158
By having the Quincies invade SS and basically annihilate most of the Captains and Vice Captain's almost instantaneously, Kubo accomplishes two things.1. Get rid of most of the old main characters without long drawn out chapters detailing their deaths and having long final farewell scenes. 2. Show the incredible power of the Quincies army by totally destroying the only real resistance in their paths, the Shinigami.
Now, by vastly overstating their power we will expect the Quincies to be able to take on whoever is in the next realm, thereby introducing an entire new cast into Bleach, as well as more powerful characters than what we have now. In the end Bleach is a manga, and usually constant power progression is the main stave in a series such as this.
- #159
Not sure what to think about what Bach said there: "It's fine now he has an eternity to think about his decision". I get the feeling that their conversation wasn't peaceful at all. I have this odd feeling that Bach had to persuade Aizen and they could be fighting each other once Aizen was free of any restraints. In what state is Aizen after Bach left the prison?
IF Aizen and Bach fought each other and Aizen lost then would it make him seek revenge on Bach later with Shinigami and Ichigo help?
Who took down Kenpachi? Fake, real Bach or Blondie? Did Kenpachi knew before attacking Bach that is fake (assuming he was fighting fake one)?
Now it's time for grand finale with Ichigo in rage mode (Getsuga / Cero reaping a hole in SS sky to the garganta) entering Soul Society. Bach would then subjugate him and left him half dead somewhere in Soul Society ruins.
Bach won this battle. He took away the strongest Bankai and possibly killed Yamamoto or made him unable to fight later.
- #160
Han-yuu said:
BUT one-shot again? I mean why a strong character like yamamoto definitely need his bankai in order to fight. They can use Shikai and Kidos. Didn't Kenpachi defeated three with just shikai.
Exactly. I mean the one person who relies on swordsmanship only was defeated off-screen(Zaraki). But the rest(to this point) relied on Kidou or stuff like that. How can they be so defensless without their bankais? Ukitake can absorb power and fire it back with his shikai, this is some great stuff. Shinji has his vaizard mask(well so did Rose, but apparently he was defeated off-screen as well) so what the hell. I don't know, to me the impact of this stern ritters starts to wear off and action(which is all over the place, yet we don't see anything what's going on around aside from ridiculous attitude from Unohana) is starting to lose its steam.
I think Kubo writing style just changed so much that he can't put up things together anymore and end up with so anti-climatic endings.
I remember times when there was actually clash between swords in many Ichigo fights or how Yamamoto overwhelm two captains and all soul society with just his shikai or how Yoroichi and Soifon fought against each other. There are many fights with action. I know power levels are increasing as manga is progressing but still as long as two sides on the same level - even if a little bit - there should be a fight and clashing swords. I remember one post in previous discussion that bleach never involve any tactics and one side show a power and then other side show power and then one goes down. That's exactly going on. Okay, bleach is not tactical manga i know but that doesn't mean there can't be good fights. These recent fights are not but showing off powers and then one-shot. We normally see over powered characters in many shounen manga but then again they have some good action.
BUT What we have seen so far in this whole war is.. Quincies attacked SS, They overwhelmed everyone, killed thousands (most likely all fodders) in seconds. Then each captain got their opponent. Four captains released their bankai without a second thought, even though they know it can be stolen but they were depending on their vice-captains, that was just amazing. We saw all captains running around with panic. Shisui got his eye injured in 2 pages. Byakuya got in trouble. Soul Society contacted Ichigo but that last hope got locked in the middle of two dimensions. Byakuya got one chapter and lost without putting up a fight because opponent was too over powered. Kenpachi beat three in one page - because he's special - and then lost on one page (and now we learned that was fake boss). Then Captain commander burned a stern ritter with one-shot. We saw few pages all captains are standing thinking about old-man gone crazy, let's hope SS will survive and everyone got pumped up. Yamamoto got few chapters which was supposed to be a really good fight but all we saw him releasing full bankai without a second thought and got it stolen in next chapter and most probably lost with one-shot.
I'm not saying there was nothing in last 16 chapters or so but a proper fight. An over-powered real Juhabach deserved to fight against that over-powered bankai. They could've clash their swords few times. Yamamoto could've tried to burned him with his shikai, some kidos to lock him up or put him down. Juhabach could've overcome it with his power and then after some good try Yamamoto lose the battle BUT unfortunately that's not happened. An action manga with just powerups and one page kill is just bad writing in my opinion. Especially when they're getting whole chapters. And the way it's going i can see the same thing happening in upcoming fights. I think if only Kubo could follow his own style which he had done in the hundreds of earlier chapters this war can become so good.
