Bleach Chapter 510 Discussion

Ragix said:

Han-yuu said:
Didn't Kenpachi defeated three with just shikai. Yamamoto could've done lot better and then it's okay for him to lose. I know he can't defeat enemy boss but at-least put up some fight some fight with real one. So all hype of his power ended up like this, unless Kubo proved me wrong and he stand up in next chapter. Let's see how Aizen will come back. It's time for Ichigo to get some action and i wonder when we will see Urahara and result of that cliffhanger.

Kenpachi does not have shikai. The shikai is the released form of a zanpakuto and Kenpachi's zanpakuto refuses to work with him since he's only treated it as an instrument to kill.

Ah. sorry, i forgot and that's even salt on the wound. When Ichigo worked with his zanpaktou, he proved to be stronger - not because he special but because he worked with it - So Kenpachi can defeat without working with his zanpaktou and strongest one can't put up fight with boss while working with it but again unless he stand up in next chapter.



Ragix said:
Also Yamamoto just got caught off guard. I don't really think he expected it to be a fake because that guy completely copied the leader(memories and all.) and when he had his bankai stolen and the big ol' boss was going to make him fight his own comrades I think that's when it became personal. That would have meant fighting his Lt. along with the others that got killed and I guess he just got to emotional about it and lunged at him.



Yamamoto is the strongest but at the same time he isn't the most cool-headed or smartest character either. Who knows though, maybe he does something in the next chapter. I have no idea what the hell kind of weapon the leader used but I don't know if it would kill him in one hit.

Well. he was not completely off guard and got hit from behind. He had some conversation and tried to use bankai again and when it got stolen. He just stand there to get slashed. He didn't even try to use some hado#9000.



Yes. he's not dying after getting slashed once but rather he will be down on the ground until everything is over.

Holy shit. That is all

I have nothing else to show my disappointment towards this chapter, Yama's stupidity and Kubo's writing but this:

Hell yeah! Bring back Aizen! He would own Juhabach's ass easily! I know this is a bit far-fetched, but maybe if Yamamoto does indeed die soon, maybe the Gotei 13 will appoint Aizen as the new Captain Commander! Soul Society would have no choice but to rely on him at that point. And he's certainly strong enough to handle almost anything so why not? Then again I'm pretty sure Aizen wants nothing to do with Soul Society anymore, but it would still be cool to see in my opinion. Either that or make Urahara Captain Commander! I would love that even more! That is, if he hasn't been killed by Grimmjow yet......

KuroNoKenshi said:
Fai said:
Candor said:
Meryel said:
KuroNoKenshi said:
ricky_san said:
It remains true. No one has been stronger than CC. The only way to defeat him is to "outsmart" him. So yes just like Aizen, Bach didn't defeat him str to str. He stole his his Bankai and slash him. CC is also a tanker. I highly doubt he's down with Bach's slash. Let's c next week!



Ichigo after he used the FGT was stronger than Yamamoto, Aizen's transformed form were too.



stronger than sun? i doubt....We actually don't know, but considering that Yama's bankai's reiatsu could destroy SS and Aizen + Ichigo's reiatsu together couldn't affect the atmosphere like Zanka no Tachi did then it seems Yama's bankai is stronger than both.



on other hand Aizen and Ichigo are far more "compressed", far more evolved and are NOT elemental, so no matter how strong they are they would not have any real effects to the atmosphere.



Yamamoto also is just a mere shinigami while Aizen and Ichigo are far beyond the them or any of the hybrids.



It seems to me that base Aizen is sure bellow yamamoto, but everything above condom aizen is above yamamoto and fgt Ichigo is way above the last form of Aizen's.



There simply is no other way for Ichigo to evenly compete with Juha (who is already as strong as yamamoto if not stronger) who also is wielding Yamamoto's own bankai.



Pretty much that.

Aizen stood on a plane higher than a shinigami. Reiatsu wasn't even able to affect him anymore and the only way people could sense his power was if he purposely lowered them to that of a normal shinigami.



The difference between transformed Aizen and Yamamoto is pretty much the same as the difference between a normal (spiritely unaware) human and a shinigami.



Dangai Ichigo was pretty much on the same plane as Aizen and when he used FGT he was on an even higher plane.



Shinigami only use reiatsu so matter how many "flame" he used, these weren't flame.

No matter how much hot it seems and how much this would burn the land, this is still not flame.

His zanpakutou simulate flame, these may do the exact same thing as normal flame but these aren't flame, they are condensed reiatsu in the form of a flame.



My point is, these flame are reiatsu and can be blocked by a stronger force.

A shinigami with an unbeleivable ammount of reiatsu could tank Yama's bankai as long as he has the required ammount of reiatsu to do so.



For Aizen and FGT Ichigo, reiatsu do not matter anymore, they aren't affected by it anymore.

Against FGT Ichigo, Yamamoto's bankai wouldn't make him feel hotter or cooler, it might burn the whole land around him but as it's reiatsu Ichigo will not feel anything. Even if Yamamoto were to use his North on him, Ichigo wouldn't have to lift one finger and this would result in the same thing as the first hit Ichigo ever gave to Kenpachi: not one scratch.

Mugetsu will cut through Yamamoto's armor like butter and slice him into two and he would die, that's how much one sided thing would get if Yamamoto fought seriously FGT Ichigo.



The only way Yamamoto could fight on par with Ichigo is if he can fuse with his zanpakutou as well, but that's pretty much too late considering he got his zanpakutou's soul stolen.



am...gin wounded aizen....isshin too......so how can he be not effected by reiatsu?.....isshin said that he couldn't feel aizens reiatsu anymore but still wounded him......so........not feeling reiatsu of aizen doesn't mean he cant be hit by one....

Han-yuu said:
Yamamoto is the strongest but at the same time he isn't the most cool-headed or smartest character either. Who knows though, maybe he does something in the next chapter. I have no idea what the hell kind of weapon the leader used but I don't know if it would kill him in one hit.

Well. he was not completely off guard and got hit from behind. He had some conversation and tried to use bankai again and when it got stolen. He just stand there to get slashed. He didn't even try to use some hado#9000.



Yes. he's not dying after getting slashed once but rather he will be down on the ground until everything is over.He probably got struck because he was underestimating his enemy and the enemy was actually able to steal his bankai, which contradicts what he said in the last chapter.



On a side note, didn't anyone think those flash-backs were weird? I mean these guys were born with that ability, and from what I remember Kirge said " The king gave my ability me the letter J for 'the Jail'".

If Royd can't copy people's appearance, only their "memory and mind", why did he look exactly like Bach? Is this a problem with the translation?

Unexpected :P