Bleach Chapter 507 Discussion
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- #101
I was hoping Yama-ji's bankai would be more original, not "these flames are really hot, guys!...No, seriously". Maybe something interesting will come out of the West/East/directional component, though!
Are the forth division actually just standing around, or are they planning some yet to be seen mass healing technique from a safe location, and I just missed it?
This arc still needs Ryuuken. Just saying.
- #102
Rizzle said:
Meh.
I was hoping Yama-ji's bankai would be more original, not "these flames are really hot, guys!...No, seriously". Maybe something interesting will come out of the West/East/directional component, though!
Are the forth division actually just standing around, or are they planning some yet to be seen mass healing technique from a safe location, and I just missed it?
This arc still needs Ryuuken. Just saying.
Ryuken?
I see no fault in focusing with the actual properties of fire.Ryuuken = Ishida's dad
- #103
Just saying "everybody knows" doesn't mean it's a fact, there are things called opinions you know. Both planned and in the 2 plans happened some problems, like what you mentioned above. However, in Madara's plan
Tobi executed the plan while Madara made the plan, Aizen made the plan and executed it by himself with the help of Gin and Tousen, and doing something by yourself makes things more like the way you want them to be which lessens the probabilities of having problems and failures in the plan, and considering Aizen is a smart villain, very few problems happened. There are still stuff in both manga to be explained, in Bleach things (like Ichigo's birth) will be explained later on, Madara's plan will be explained next chapter, so I'm looking forward to it.
I know they're all opinions and when i said "everybody knows" meant for ridiculousness of that final battle. Doesn't majority considered it a failure? or am i reading wrong places and it was a great fight? In my opinion that tells how genius aizen was with those transformations and saying "I'm stronger than you".. So yeah, except his last battle everything goes perfectly well just as he planned. We will learn what is related to ichigo's birth and why he had his eye on him all the time. Otherwise I didn't see any problem in his plans. He take on Vizards, He take on SS, He controlled HM, He got hogyoko, make arrancers, espadas, got orihime and ichigo in HM and then trapped four captains, defeated almost everyone in the last battle.
About Madara, We're going to learn in next few chapters and I think he found him coincidentally or whatever but not as planned. we will see. What we know didn't go as planned. that's my real point for this argument. As i said, he was out of the game if it was not for Kabuto. That alone proves wrong this "just as planned" word. Right now making his plan a success is just another luck/coincident. He have to fight two jinchuuriki's. That's also not part of the plan otherwise he would've collect all of them by himself. In my opinion. There is no comparison between Madara and Aizen, no matter how i see.
Candor said:
So you're saying that that's the fact and you won't accept excuses, a good argument indeed. Which one is more of a bad-ass depends on opinions, and I don't really care which is more bad-ass, and because I don't care I wouldn't care about the reasoning you're saying for Madara being a bad-ass (after you said you also don't care), I'm more interested in seeing the past in the next few chapters.
No matter what we come up with even if it's really really good argument, doesn't change the fact that he lost and not he alone lost but his all subordinates as well. and NOT against some boss type character but a merely a child in-front of him. I mean we believe Yamamoto is boss in this manga. Look at his power level. If he knows that he can't use his bankai in FKT. He should've won with his Shikai. Just like Aizen did and not only against him but everyone else. That make Aizen more bad-ass than him. Also he should've planned something else like if i get some hindrance who will defeat him? Tell me does he believed on ichigo that he will come from Hueco Mundo and save us? So basically he had no idea. He can't use his bankai. He lost the war and everything if it's not for Ichigo. Not to mention i'm still surprised how furious he was (and how excited i was) when Aizen entered in FKT and he started that fire and blocked 3 captains, which turned out for no reason what-so-ever. At first i seriously thought he's going for kill but no, it was for, my captains can finish their one on one fights than we will talk with Aizen. Okay. i accept it was problem to use that bankai in FKT but still losing is not an option. You're the strongest one and yet you can't protect your subordinates and the whole world then who will? but i know it's shounen manga and main character is ichigo, so he was supposed to defeat aizen in the first place. And i think there were better ways how to defeat a strongest guy like yamamoto and everyone else. Not how Aizen did.
It will get longer and longer - basically the same argument which i already had in some previous topics. I liked this chapter as well as previous one - so i will stop here.
lol. i didn't understand your last line correctly and wrote a complete paragraph and now that i read it again, i have to delete it. you don't care neither i am. so let's just everyone have their opinion. i think it was stupid question to begin with in bleach thread.
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I wanted to ask. After seeing Yamamoto's bankai. Does anyone in this thread believe he's equal to Ichigo? If Ichigo fight with him. can he defeat him? or at-least equally fight with him.
- #104
Candor said:
Just saying "everybody knows" doesn't mean it's a fact, there are things called opinions you know. Both planned and in the 2 plans happened some problems, like what you mentioned above. However, in Madara's plan
Tobi executed the plan while Madara made the plan, Aizen made the plan and executed it by himself with the help of Gin and Tousen, and doing something by yourself makes things more like the way you want them to be which lessens the probabilities of having problems and failures in the plan, and considering Aizen is a smart villain, very few problems happened. There are still stuff in both manga to be explained, in Bleach things (like Ichigo's birth) will be explained later on, Madara's plan will be explained next chapter, so I'm looking forward to it.
I know they're all opinions and when i said "everybody knows" meant for ridiculousness of that final battle. Doesn't majority considered it a failure? or am i reading wrong places and it was a great fight? In my opinion that tells how genius aizen was with those transformations and saying "I'm stronger than you".. So yeah, except his last battle everything goes perfectly well just as he planned. We will learn what is related to ichigo's birth and why he had his eye on him all the time. Otherwise I didn't see any problem in his plans. He take on Vizards, He take on SS, He controlled HM, He got hogyoko, make arrancers, espadas, got orihime and ichigo in HM and then trapped four captains, defeated almost everyone in the last battle.
About Madara, We're going to learn in next few chapters and I think he found him coincidentally or whatever but not as planned. we will see. What we know didn't go as planned. that's my real point for this argument. As i said, he was out of the game if it was not for Kabuto. That alone proves wrong this "just as planned" word. Right now making his plan a success is just another luck/coincident. He have to fight two jinchuuriki's. That's also not part of the plan otherwise he would've collect all of them by himself. In my opinion. There is no comparison between Madara and Aizen, no matter how i see.
Candor said:
So you're saying that that's the fact and you won't accept excuses, a good argument indeed. Which one is more of a bad-ass depends on opinions, and I don't really care which is more bad-ass, and because I don't care I wouldn't care about the reasoning you're saying for Madara being a bad-ass (after you said you also don't care), I'm more interested in seeing the past in the next few chapters.
No matter what we come up with even if it's really really good argument, doesn't change the fact that he lost and not he alone lost but his all subordinates as well. and NOT against some boss type character but a merely a child in-front of him. I mean we believe Yamamoto is boss in this manga. Look at his power level. If he knows that he can't use his bankai in FKT. He should've won with his Shikai. Just like Aizen did and not only against him but everyone else. That make Aizen more bad-ass than him. Also he should've planned something else like if i get some hindrance who will defeat him? Tell me does he believed on ichigo that he will come from Hueco Mundo and save us? So basically he had no idea. He can't use his bankai. He lost the war and everything if it's not for Ichigo. Not to mention i'm still surprised how furious he was (and how excited i was) when Aizen entered in FKT and he started that fire and blocked 3 captains, which turned out for no reason what-so-ever. At first i seriously thought he's going for kill but no, it was for, my captains can finish their one on one fights than we will talk with Aizen. Okay. i accept it was problem to use that bankai in FKT but still losing is not an option. You're the strongest one and yet you can't protect your subordinates and the whole world then who will? but i know it's shounen manga and main character is ichigo, so he was supposed to defeat aizen in the first place. And i think there were better ways how to defeat a strongest guy like yamamoto and everyone else. Not how Aizen did.
It will get longer and longer - basically the same argument which i already had in some previous topics. I liked this chapter as well as previous one - so i will stop here.
lol. i didn't understand your last line correctly and wrote a complete paragraph and now that i read it again, i have to delete it. you don't care neither i am. so let's just everyone have their opinion. i think it was stupid question to begin with in bleach thread.
Wow, that's really a long wall of text.
As I said, he did everything by himself to make sure it's perfect, and it was near perfect, he's an over-powered villain, he's actually in Yama-ji's level, check these stats: Aizen, Yamamoto. We hardly know anything about Aizen's past, his motives and how he got this powerful, but I think we can assume he was in Gin's age during the Quincy's extermination. Kubo is inspired by DragonBall (and lots of other stuff, like Yu Yu Hakusho, Buddhism, Spain, Germany/Nazis..etc) in writing Bleach, so I think it should be obvious by now that Bleach is an action-based manga with lots of action, and a villain like Aizen wouldn't be easy to defeat. (you'll hear complaints either way..) And anyway let's see what Madara got in the next few chapters.
I think what I mentioned here could answer some stuff in your 3rd paragraph, like Aizen's power-level (the stats) and Bleach is an action-based manga (like Dragonball). I was saying that I don't want to argue about who's more bad-ass, that's it. I don't really like comparing characters, but I guess I did compare Aizen to Madara myself in my previous post, so it's my bad I guess.
