Bleach Chapter 503 Discussion

  • #90
Maddo_scientisto said:
What if Ichigo is an experiment made by SS and Kenpachi was one of the test subject that failed that managed to escape. That would explain why Kenpachi is similar to Ichigo since Kenpachi is an 'imcomplete' Ichigo.I doubt something like that happened, it just doesn't feel right if Kubo did something like that. The key to solve this mystery lies within Aizen's words when Isshin appeared at that time, about Ichigo being a son of a Shinigami and a ..., and it lies within Grand Fisher's words about Ichigo being a true blood too. It also lies within the Quincy's boss's words about Ichigo being a war potential. If I connect all these stuff together I can reach one thing: Ichigo is a son of royalty, Masaki was probably either a royal family's daughter or the a daughter of the Soul King. There are also 5 war potentials, so Kenpachi could be one of these 5. That's the conclusion I can reach from these 3 points.
 
  • #91
Candor said:

Han-yuu said:
Fai said:
- Kenpachi explanations were hilarious. Its hilarious that all three cases pretty much make fun of shonen genre tropes - overbulky transformations, ability exposition chapters and "fighting yourself" plot devices. Its nice to see that at least one out of the big three has some self-awareness about those things and its hilarious and so in-character for Kenpachi. Sadly I do not see Kenpachi handling himself too well in this...Most likely Yamaji will have to step in once he ends dealing with the stealer of Sasakibe's bankai.

So how would you like to explain situation of other captains? Stern Ritter caught a senior captain and took his eye (or at-least injured his face pretty badly). While a very well known and strong captain (at-least strong as much as kenpachi if not more) never even able to touch a single Stern Ritter and bite the dust, while Kanpachi took out three without breaking a sweat.Kubo hinted in the new novels that he'll explain why Kenpachi is growing stronger at a frightening speed.

Byakuya not been able to touch a stern ritter while kenpachi taking out three need some hell of an explaination. Kuchiki clan is one of the the nobel houses in Soul Society. That alone makes him special. Not to mention he was not some cheap captain who supposed to rely completely on his bankai and just because they stole it, he became useless. The only reason i can understand is that Stern Ritters are just too dam strong, BUT Kenpachi taking out three like trash is something like he got DBangai level training in closed space before joining this war.



Maddo_scientisto said:
Not only that, there's a very simple answer to that: Nobody in the Stern Ritter have the same fighting capacity.

People assume that they are all as strong, all as fast but it's likely not the case.

Seriously? Was not they all supposed to be strong? I mean we're not talking about one guy but three.. and they have title and name just like others? How do you know those guys were very weak? while other unknown ones are too strong?
 
  • #92
Oh OK so Kenpachi actually took out three of them? At first I thought it was just one, then I was corrected that it was 2, but now we have seen he actually mowed down three of them, alone, without any bankai. I just love Kenpachi's "shut up so I can kill you" attitude :D
 
  • #93
3 Fights for Zaraki Kenpachi in one page, that was great. Yama-ji appears on the battlefield. I doubt his fight is gonna last more than a couple of pages. I just noticed that that Sterrnritter is gonna use Sasakibe's Bankai against Yama-ji, gonna be interesting.
 
  • #94
Han-yuu said:
Fai said:
- Kenpachi explanations were hilarious. Its hilarious that all three cases pretty much make fun of shonen genre tropes - overbulky transformations, ability exposition chapters and "fighting yourself" plot devices. Its nice to see that at least one out of the big three has some self-awareness about those things and its hilarious and so in-character for Kenpachi. Sadly I do not see Kenpachi handling himself too well in this...Most likely Yamaji will have to step in once he ends dealing with the stealer of Sasakibe's bankai.

So how would you like to explain situation of other captains? Stern Ritter caught a senior captain and took his eye (or at-least injured his face pretty badly). While a very well known and strong captain (at-least strong as much as kenpachi if not more) never even able to touch a single Stern Ritter and bite the dust, while Kanpachi took out three without breaking a sweat.Kubo hinted in the new novels that he'll explain why Kenpachi is growing stronger at a frightening speed.



Han-yuu said:
Maddo_scientisto said:
Now the real question is "What is Ichigo?". Being the son of a shinigami does not cut it, his power is way too strong.

What if he have a royal blood. Grandson of Soul King. Masaki eloped with Isshin and Soul King banned Isshin from Soul Society and took his powers etc but didn't do much because the happiness of her daughter. Now I wonder if someone else come up with this theory before.I'm sure there are others who thought about it, I did too. It's either that or she's a Fullbringer.
 
  • #95
SleepnDreamn said:
Can anyone tell me what is the whole deal with ST and letters they have assigned to them? What chapter it was explained or started all this letter chain?



around chapter 490-495 if im correct
 
  • #96
Fai said:
Candor said:
Han-yuu said:
Candor said:

Han-yuu said:
Fai said:
- Kenpachi explanations were hilarious. Its hilarious that all three cases pretty much make fun of shonen genre tropes - overbulky transformations, ability exposition chapters and "fighting yourself" plot devices. Its nice to see that at least one out of the big three has some self-awareness about those things and its hilarious and so in-character for Kenpachi. Sadly I do not see Kenpachi handling himself too well in this...Most likely Yamaji will have to step in once he ends dealing with the stealer of Sasakibe's bankai.

So how would you like to explain situation of other captains? Stern Ritter caught a senior captain and took his eye (or at-least injured his face pretty badly). While a very well known and strong captain (at-least strong as much as kenpachi if not more) never even able to touch a single Stern Ritter and bite the dust, while Kanpachi took out three without breaking a sweat.Kubo hinted in the new novels that he'll explain why Kenpachi is growing stronger at a frightening speed.

Byakuya not been able to touch a stern ritter while kenpachi taking out three need some hell of an explaination. Kuchiki clan is one of the the nobel houses in Soul Society. That alone makes him special. Not to mention he was not some cheap captain who supposed to rely completely on his bankai and just because they stole it, he became useless. The only reason i can understand is that Stern Ritters are just too dam strong, BUT Kenpachi taking out three like trash is something like he got DBangai level training in closed space before joining this war.

As I said, Kubo hinted there's gonna be an explanation why Kenpachi is too strong, we hardly know anything about him and his past, we just know he was a homeless who met Yachiru in a place where there was lots of bloodshed, we know nothing more. There's another thing, why does Kenpachi and Ichigo's Zanpakuto maintain their Shikai form? I know the basic explanation, but why only those 2? I think there's a connection between them somehow, not as relatives but as powers. They're also both growing stronger at a great speed. So we'll likely hear explanations about Ichigo and Kenpachi in this arc.

^pretty much this.

We do not even know Kenpachi's real name and there's supposedly a lot of "awesome things" for Kenpachi in this arc.

I have made my point earlier. I will wait for Kubo explanation and it better be good one.



Maddo_scientisto said:

Han-yuu said:
Candor said:

Han-yuu said:
Fai said:
- Kenpachi explanations were hilarious. Its hilarious that all three cases pretty much make fun of shonen genre tropes - overbulky transformations, ability exposition chapters and "fighting yourself" plot devices. Its nice to see that at least one out of the big three has some self-awareness about those things and its hilarious and so in-character for Kenpachi. Sadly I do not see Kenpachi handling himself too well in this...Most likely Yamaji will have to step in once he ends dealing with the stealer of Sasakibe's bankai.

So how would you like to explain situation of other captains? Stern Ritter caught a senior captain and took his eye (or at-least injured his face pretty badly). While a very well known and strong captain (at-least strong as much as kenpachi if not more) never even able to touch a single Stern Ritter and bite the dust, while Kanpachi took out three without breaking a sweat.Kubo hinted in the new novels that he'll explain why Kenpachi is growing stronger at a frightening speed.

Byakuya not been able to touch a stern ritter while kenpachi taking out three need some hell of an explaination. Kuchiki clan is one of the the nobel houses in Soul Society. That alone makes him special. Not to mention he was not some cheap captain who supposed to rely completely on his bankai and just because they stole it, he became useless. The only reason i can understand is that Stern Ritters are just too dam strong, BUT Kenpachi taking out three like trash is something like he got DBangai level training in closed space before joining this war.



Maddo_scientisto said:
Not only that, there's a very simple answer to that: Nobody in the Stern Ritter have the same fighting capacity.

People assume that they are all as strong, all as fast but it's likely not the case.

Seriously? Was not they all supposed to be strong? I mean we're not talking about one guy but three.. and they have title and name just like others? How do you know those guys were very weak? while other unknown ones are too strong?

I'm not saying that they are very weak but that Kenpachi was conveniently matched with people he could defeat.

Just like the captains of SS aren't all on the same level I beleive that it's the case for the Stern Ritter.

That's not the case. I would've accept if it was one or even two but three? No way. Until now we saw Stern Ritters are dominating no matter whoever they against are but suddenly Kenpachi take out three doesn't mean they were conveniently matched or weak. As i said above i will wait for Kubo explanation and if it didn't go well then it proves my point once again about bleach messed up power levels. And if i remember correctly you also didn't have much hopes for Kenpachi in this arc.
 
  • #97
Seriously? A Quincy transformed into a gorilla while another one transformed into the opponent? Kubo must have mistaken this arc with Arrancar one..
 
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