Bleach Chapter 499 Discussion

So finally Urahara time's come.

Good thing he took out Chad and Orihime. They could have actually done something important and we can't have that.

hungry_bunny said:
Han-yuu said:
And if Ichigo mother is Ryuken sister then Ichigo and Ishida are cousin. *whistle*



On a serious note. Does a quincy mother can give any benefit to her son? When quincies are teachings and not race. If yes then how? If no then why Aizen sound so dramatic when he said "You're offspring of Shinigami AND"... *dun dun dun*



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Ehm, why wouldn't a Quincy mother be able to have children that are also strong Quincies? As I've understood it, Shinigami use the power in their swords/their souls while Quincies use their ability to absorb and manipulate the spiritual energy in their surroundings, these rare abilities should be something you're born with.



Sure, you could be taught to do both things but just because you're good at one teaching that doesn't mean you'll be good at the other.

Teachings can be transferred with birth just like bloodline powers? Never heard of it before.



Also Shingami abilities can be taught? I mean a normal human can become shingami? Aren't they related to race or bloodline?

Imprisoning Ichigo while the guy has half-way to SS then closing the door Urahara made while completely owning Chad and Orihime AND landing a hit on Urahara.



Dat Kirge sure can multitask

Han-yuu said:
hungry_bunny said:
Han-yuu said:
Teachings can be transferred with birth just like bloodline powers? Never heard of it before.



Also Shingami abilities can be taught? I mean a normal human can become shingami? Aren't they related to race or bloodline?More like... if both your parents were freakishly tall basketball stars and one of them trained you every day of your life with weird disguised exercises  then you'd probably be good at the sport as well if you put your heart into it...



Ichigo's father trained him with those extreme ambushes and by signing him up for a dojo... and without his teachings, Ichigo wouldn't have discovered the Final Getsuga Tensho. Without Rukia's, Urahara's and Yoruichi's guidance he wouldn't even have known how to fight like a shingami.



Ishida was probably the same, he inherited a strong spirit from his parents adapted for the absorbing of spiritual energy in his surroundings and then he got trained by his grandfather since childhood.



In both cases I do think that both Bloodline and Training plays a part.

You got it wrong. We're not talking about normal training or getting power with training. Ichigo is a shinigami from birth, so he got those all freaking shingami powers and everything, but there is a big mystery regarding his mother. What is she? It doesn't look like she's normal human otherwise that Aizen dialogue will be useless. Also she's not shinigami either because that shouldn't be so special for Aizen to say "you're offspring of shinagami and...". Only possibility will be If she was quincy or hollow/arrancer.



I don't remember where it was mentioned in manga but we have users here in this topic saying "quincy is a fighting style and anyone can learn". If it really is a fighting style. THAT SHOULDN'T BE SPECIAL regarding ichigo's birth. Yes, he can become a great quincy, just like any other person who train well but if it's not race and bloodline powers then it shouldn't help him automatically to get more power up and be a special, where enemy can't stole his bankai.Well, I don't think we're disagreeing about much here.



Yes, everyone can become a Quincy if they have power, evident by the arrancars that were recruited in the beginning of the arc. BUT everyone can become a shinigami too, cause Rukia and Renji  didn't have special parents, they just had a strong spirit.



I'll say it again, they ALL need proper training! Having a strong bloodline helped both him and Ishida become elites, but they still had to work hard for it too.



And Ichigo is special alright. But an experiment created in a lab? That's not likely, since his little sister is showing some pretty high potential too.



I don't really care if Ichigo's mother is a Quincy, Hollow or Human. With all the things Ichigo has gone through...  his inner hollow, the Final Getsuga Tensho and the Fullbring powers, it's really not that strange that he's this strong.



The key lies in his experiences and that sword he is holding, and I wouldn't be surprised if his little sister could bring out a Getsu-sword too if she learned how to become a shingami.



PS. Everything in these forums is pretty much theory, none of us are Kubo Tite... including me.

still waiting on zaraki

So We can see Ichigo has a best control of his reatsu, he can move easily in the Garganta !!!

I hope he will arrive before the end of the Soul Society.

fortunately Zaraki Kenpachi never try to fight with his zanpakuto (Shikai/Bankai). So he won't be in difficulties against the Sternritters.

We never see Yourichi to use a zanpakuto, it's weird....

I hope they'll do something about the 'Bankai stealing' thing so we'll be able to see people like Urahara and Kyoraku using Bankai.