Monad said:
Maddo_scientisto said:
Monad said:
Btw i don't get it. Can Ichigo still use hollow and Fullbring stuff? Logically he should have lost the ability since those powers where stolen from him?
Shinigami, Quincy and Fullbring are teaching and not a race, this further prove it up.
When Ginjou stole Ichigo's "fullbring" he shortened it as such because he thought that he had gotten the entirerity of Ichigo's reiatsu. He could have said 'I got your reiatsu' and it would have been the same.
The gotei 13 restored Ichigo's reiatsu but it's not like he has forgotten how to use fullbring arts neither can 'fullbring' be stolen from him as it is simply a way of manipulating reiatsu.
This has been further hinted many time especially when Ichigo started to use GT in his fullbring.
Ichigo is just a massive mass of energy and a prodigy at learning which allow him to master more than one teaching in a very short time.
The closest thing to different race that Bleach has to offer are minus soul and plus soul as introduced back in chapter 1. Basically hollow and the rest of the souls.
Spiritually aware soul can be teached anything.
It's been shown since the beginning that potent soul in rukongai are teached the way of the shinigami rather than them being one by birth. One can train his spiritual awareness without any said teaching as it was also shown when we saw Renji's and Rukia's past.
SS just got control over most soul in the human realm and all soul in the SS so it is quite easy for them to get all the potent souls in their rank and have them follow their teaching and not another one.
Shinigami arts cleanse souls, Quincy arts kill souls and Fullbring arts manipulate souls. Imo it's very likely that these three arts decend from the magic hunter that were mentionned in the past and that we'll most probably see some character mastering more than one of these arts.
So you mean he has Fullbring but not hollow? But Fullbring is basically using hollow powers. Is a teaching based on the hollow type of reiatsu and not the shinigami quincy type. So basically is a teaching for a minus soul instead of a plus soul and as you said those are different. When he got his shinigami powers back he only got plus soul type reiatsu because that's what shinigami have and since he already lost his minus type reiatsu that was fullbring and basically hollow then he shouldn't be able to use fullbring powers.
Fai said:
As for Ichigo: Hollow powers have been merged into his shinigami powers and fullbring has become part of his overall power too(as seen by parts of the armor being incorporated into his outfit). Ichigo learned fullbring thus he can use it, he has condition fitting the need for it.
I don't see how he can currently have merged hollow powers with shinigami ones. He had that kind of power before but then he lost all his shinigami powers. Since shinigami was the ability he knew how to use to bring his reiatsu out hiis hollow powers found a way to merge with that and come out too. We can assume he still had hollow powers after he lost his shinigami ones but knew no way to bring them out and fullbring allowed him to do just that(fullbring is based on hollow powers as we are clearly let to believe). So when Ginzo took his fullbring he basically took his hollow type reiatsu and Ichigo was left with only his human energy until the shinigami gave him back shinigami reiatsu. That reiatsu though has no hollow type in it since it was from shinigami. So why should he still have hollow powers merged with his shinigami since that type of powers where pulled out of him and he only got back the shinigami type and not the hollow one?
We know Ichigo did not outright lose power.
At the start of Fullbring arc there were signs that there are some traces of it left within Ichigo and he pretty much awakened those traces with the fullbring. Ginjou could not steal all of it and SS transfered that reiatsu into him restoring his powers. Its like a cup of tea. Just because there's no tea in the cup does not mean that There's no cup itself that can be refilled.
Powers did not "reset". His powers are him. He used up entirety of himself with Mugetsu, but that did not "revert" him to pre-power state or something. It just made him empty. But the shape of that cup remained the same.
In rpg terms, a caster with 0/0 mana can do nothing, but that does not change the knowledge he has. Zangetsu's Personification died from either Mugetsu or Jinzen(having became one with Ichigo), but Ichigo still has all that knowledge, so once "mana" gets refilled, the caster still has access to all the spells he knew, paraphrasing.
There's no "hollow type reiatsu and normal reiatsu" in Ichigo. After jinzen it was one and the same, the whole point of jinzen was to fuse those powers into a whole. Instead of having a fractured power set, Ichigo unified it into whole.
Fullbring is a teaching that can be used by those influenced by hollow powers.
Quincy is a teaching that can be used by those who have spiritual awareness and any kind of reiryoku.
Shinigami arts are teachings mastering a plus type reyryoku into a weapon.
Fullbring requires user's power to be influenced by the hollow reiatsu, mixed with it so to say. Anyone who has hollow and normal reyryoku in balance in their existence could learn fullbring.
Ginjou took away the "mana" part if talking in rpg terms. Not the knowledge.
Once Ichigo was "refilled" the fullbring power joined the unified whole that is transcendent power type of Ichigo, being incorporated into his attire and weapon(the little armor bits on bankai and normal forms, as well as sword shape).
Ichigo by all means has both fullbring, shinigami and hollow type of powers unified into a coherent whole. Thats what makes him somewhat unique - he is no longer but a hybrid with different kinds of powers "stashed" inside.
Since Jinzen he is something above that with all those powers having merged into something else, as proved by this very issue where Ivan could not destroy his bankai with something that he was pretty convinced could destroy bankai forms.
This arc IS supposed to deal with on why its Ichigo and why is he unique too, so I guess we will learn more as it goes on.
EDIT: which is obviously interesting because Ivan is someone with arrancar-like mask using quincy cross as weapon and casting kidou.
