Bleach Chapter 471 Discussion

monkeysrumble said:
I must agree with Kizu. Sometimes kids don't know any better and just do things they shouldn't be doing. I'm pretty sure everyone has had some type of experience of doing something they shouldn't be doing when they were a kid (maybe not as intense as Riruka did) and you probably got punished or told that what you did was wrong. But there are cases in which kids really did have a mental disorder that made them do whatever it is they did, but in my opinion that wasn't the case with Riruka.



What kind of kid traps a person inside a box?  Not all kids are like this, sure they might do bad things like stealing candies or something, but what Riruka did was psychologically messed up, so a mental disorder wouldn't be completely out of the question.

niedude said:


A kid with superpowers is like an unsupervised kid with a knife. The smart ones will know to put the knife down. The other will not



I somewhat agree,



but she was never taught how manage her powers a.k.a. that knives are dangerous. She didn't think it would hurt him to be placed int the box. What i was getting at is that she just an immature kid who thought she could do what ever she wanted and was not as mentally unstable as you all make her out to be. A kid that gets hold of a knife might indeed hurt himself or others but that doesn't make them stupid or crazy. She did hurt someone but she learned from her mistakes before it was too late.

niedude said:
More like just a naive little 7 year old girl. In the end she knew she was wrong so she let him go. Could you imagine if 7 year old's in real life had friggin SUPER POWERS? Chaos and destruction would run a muck. Not because little kids are psychos but because there are immature and don't think about the consequences of their actions like adults do.



kizu-kun said:
I don't see her as a little girl i was referring to the flashback. You called her a psycho for locking the guy in a chest. Riruka was 7 years old WHEN THAT HAPPENED.



No, I called her a psycho because not all 7 year olds are like this, she needs psychological help.

Code-ABH said:


Page 10 (Liluca's Flashback 3)



[Text: After I hid him away in my treasure-box... // ...he started to look at me with fear in his eyes. // I couldn't stand to see him look at me like that, so I set him free. // I didn't even stop to think what might happen... // ...if he told other people about my ability.]



So it turns out the guy told others about her ability after she was freed?  That opens up a significant possibility about her past and her reasons for joining Ginjou.  I can't believe this was lost in translation.



Code-ABH said:
Page 11



Liluca: "Survival of the fittest" is just a pretty lie that they tell you. // A lie to make weak people believe that if they try their best, they can come out on top. // Truth is, it isn't the weak that get eaten. / It's not about strength, it's about numbers. // The ones who stand at the top of the food chain... // ...are the brainless dolts. / The loudmouths. / Because there are so, so many of them. // You know it's true. Everybody does. // You all just turn a blind eye and pretend not to notice. // That's who we were. / The ones who got eaten.





Rukia: ...Let me speak honestly. / I do not find it difficult to understand how you must feel. // However...





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Rukia: That is not reason enough... // ...for me to abandon my comrades! // Just as you are fighting for your comrades... // ...so I must fight together with mine.



Liluca: Were you even listening to what I said?! // I just told you we were all alone in the world, remember?!!



Rukia: Do not struggle. // If I use Tsukishiro once more, your entire body will be frozen solid.



Liluca: I'm pretty sure I already told you... // ...you think too much of yourself!!







Wow, thank you so much for sharing!  These crucial parts make so much sense now.  I had thought that mangastream's tranlation was great--and I still think they do a great job of adapting the dialogue to English slang and such--but I had wondered if something was lost in the translation of Riruka's exchange with Rukia.  I was confused by Rukia's argument and why Riruka accused her of not listening.

Machuran said:
Fai said:
Riruka tried to use her power for love and instead lost that person forever and ever.



No, she's just a desperate psychopath who kidnapped and almost killed a guy she supposedly had a crush on by starvation in a treasure box.



More like just a naive little 7 year old girl. In the end she knew she was wrong so she let him go. Could you imagine if 7 year old's in real life had friggin SUPER POWERS? Chaos and destruction would run a muck. Not because little kids are psychos but because there are immature and don't think about the consequences of their actions like adults do.

niedude said:
I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I liked the chapter up to the part the flashback ended.



When Riruka started spouting pure blasfemy, saying how Fullbringers were the lowest of the low, I had to scrounge up all my strength to keep from headesking.



Really? Fullbringers are the lowest of the low?

Says the girl that kidnapped a 20 year old guy when she was seven, and only let him go after he had just about starved and feared for his life.



Humans are the lowest of the low in Bleach. They can be walking the street one quiet monday evening, and whooosh, they're eaten by an invisible monster and sent to SS before they even realize it.



If the FUllbringers are calling the Shinigami hypocrite, then the joke's on them. By enforcing this inferiority syndrome on themselves just to make them feel outcast, different, and closer to each other all the while having this "misunderstood" aura they are doing no better than when the Shinigame use their pride and station to justify their society.



Its not inferiority.



What RIruka is saying is that INDIVIDUAL: strength means nothing.



You do not just survive because YOU are strong, you survive because of your surroundings. EVERYONE separately are just lumps of meat.



while in SS EVERYTHING is based upon one deciding everything.

kizu-kun said:
Machuran said:
monkeysrumble said:
I must agree with Kizu. Sometimes kids don't know any better and just do things they shouldn't be doing. I'm pretty sure everyone has had some type of experience of doing something they shouldn't be doing when they were a kid (maybe not as intense as Riruka did) and you probably got punished or told that what you did was wrong. But there are cases in which kids really did have a mental disorder that made them do whatever it is they did, but in my opinion that wasn't the case with Riruka.



What kind of kid traps a person inside a box?  Not all kids are like this, sure they might do bad things like stealing candies or something, but what Riruka did was psychologically messed up, so a mental disorder wouldn't be completely out of the question. could you at least agree that in a hypothetical situation were little kids had super-natural abilities there would be severe mishaps or possibly even casualties do to improper use of their powers?

A kid with superpowers is like an unsupervised kid with a knife. The smart ones will know to put the knife down. The other will not

Nothing to say, good chap, well done Kubo.



He's painting fullbringers' character as anti shonenesque as can be... I could say he's been inspired by Medaka box' Kumegawa, but it's done in a slightly different and somewhat interesting way which makes it enjoyable.

Whereas, since we are in a Shonen magazine, I don't think their moral is going to be proved to be right, against present chapt plus Ichigo. They'll carry upon themselves Jump's (and shonen genre's) ideals, and won't be defeated for any reason. Not that I think that must be a bad feature!