Bleach Chapter 456 Discussion

sMug said:
ALSO: This is so stupid. Ichigo could easily reason with his friends. Explain to them what is happening, ask to trust him because they all know Ichigo wouldn't act like this if he had no reason to. And to prove it all ask his friends to come talk to Urahara or somebody who was involved in the Rukia rescue and stuff because I doubt Tsukihima did anything to those guys.



Scenario:



Imagine The pre-ss arc bleach.



And suddenly Ichigo starts chasing Karin and yuzu with a kitchen knife trying to kill her and trying to convince everyone around him they are evil superpowered monsters. How much success do you think he would have ?



Saying "hey _____ will prove me right!" does nothing in the imminent situation of them trying to apprehend him. It would still lead to Tsukishima stabbing him.



Han-yuu said:
Fai said:
Also when I think about it...

Ichigo now is in Aizen's shoes.

he is COMPLETELY alone with only one ally, huge power and truths he has no way of proving to everyone around him. Not to mention doing something that from everyone's POV looks completely villainous and baad.

Ichigo not in aizen shoes.Ichigo trying to get back his friends. Aizen tried to kill his friends. (hinamori, harrlibel, stark etc). Aizen wanted to be alone.





Oh but from EVERYONE's pov Ichigo is acting erratically, trying to kill his own cousin and being completely crazy.



And those were never Aizen's "friends". Aizen did not have anyone he could call that due to his overall intellectual superiority(imagine trying to make a conversation with a fly or making friends with a stone). THe only person he saw as equal was Urahara.



And he did not originally WANT to be alone. He just gave up along the way, loosing the sight of his original goals and wishes, loosing his way.



YOu know how you walk the path in the forest towards the city lights, but become so focused in those lights that you walk away from the path you are walking towards them?

Honestly, I have a hard time to understand all the hate that comes from the fans.



After I read this chapter, I think it's easy to understand why Ichigo is acting the way he does. Tsukishima almost killed Ishida, attacked Orihime, crossed blades with him and Ginjou and now he is suddenly everyone's best buddy. There is absolutely no way that Ichigo could accept it and stay calm. Really, it must feel terrifying to be a lone rebel like that. If I was in his shoes, how could I resist to have the urge to kill him if that meant that everything would go back? Tsukishima is pretty much stealing away his friends and family by making him a mad man in their eyes. His enemy is not super powerful and probably weaker than most enemies and allies Ichigo ever had, but he unlike his previous enemies, he strikes his weak spot in a way that could hurt him more than anything else.



If I got to be honest, I'm glad that they are back at square one (or two). This deny endless of Bankai and hollow transformation that have been repeated more than a hundred times (thousands in the anime). Although, Ichigos new fullbring is ugly. Where did his old shinigami like one go? It was way better. I got to say, despite the fact that I consider bleach a low priority when it comes to other series, I got to give a praise that it succeeded to keep me reading it every week in four years.



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Hypno-girl said:
Actually I think it would have been more interesting if Tsukishima really was there all along but that Ginjou somehow removed this of Ichigo's memory to manipulate him.



That means that all the things that happened in the 400 chapters we read were all lies. Many will not be amused by a troll at that level. However, I wouldn't mind something like this.



(And let's not forget about Urahara and Ichigo's old man. They are certainly plotting something related to this event)

So it's almost been 400 chapters and a lot of this manga could've been condensed to 200 chapters. if not 250. I'm kinda wondering why after all this time Kubo still lacks dialogue and I should not be able to read these chapters in 1 minute damn. It's not even reading and kubo isn't Kentaro Miura his drawings do not give a thousand words.



Although I enjoy the concepts here it's been 4 chapters of Ichigo running around like a maniac.....with no continue of the story. We get it everyone he cared about thinks he's the bad guy now. Explanation time Kubo. Hopefully this arc leads up to something special :). One of the strangest timeskips ever I must say.

I really do not understand one bit what Tsushikima wants to achieve by doing all this,,, does he feels so lonely that he has to force people to be his friends... and why does he act now when he could have done it anytime it seems.... anyway at least Ichida is still normal

Chapter was really boring. Not a damn thing happened. Which is kinda sad since I liked the previous chapters.

here's what i was thinking. Tsukihima "inserted" himself in the memories of Ichigos friends and everybody remember lots of events where Tsukihima was a part of. but Tsukihima himself doesn't have those memories. So in theory if like Chad asked him something a true friend (which they thing Tsukihima is) should know he wouldn't know the answer.

This chapter was disappointing, I hoped  to see more actions and fights but the characters talked too much and this is very boring and irritating.



I wish in the next chapter the story will evolve more quickly than before, and mostly Ishida, Isshin, And Kisuke will go to bring their help to Itchigo.



It is a good training for Itchigo who has just received his new powers...



Don't stop Itchigo.... Kill them.... all your enemies....Be without mercy.....



Badam, Badam, Badam.... Djoka, Djok, Djoka.....

I've decided Tsukishima is definitely better than Aizen as an antagonist. He hasn't actually done anything to directly hurt anyone and still seems far more sinister than Aizen did with his stupid "kill the king" plan.