Fullmetal Alchemist Chapter 108 Discussion

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  • #146
Truly, one of the best classics. 9/10.



I prefer Brotherhood for expanding on the action and giving this manga life with animation, sound and voices,

but most of the slight cuts and changes from Brotherhood, I prefer the full scenes of the original manga. 

The only superior scenes I prefer in the anime are Nina/Alexander becoming a Chimera, and Hohenheim's reunion with Ed and Al being more serious and not comedic, or when Ed sees his father cry.

Otherwise, I'm disappointed that Brotherhood cut or changed a lot of brief moments from Izumi and Hohenheim. 

Aside from that, a few scenes with some other characters, like Al, May, Mason, or Winry, etc.

Although the expanded action of the anime is great.



I originally watched FMA around 2009, and FMAB later in 2010. 

Today, I read and completed the manga for the first time while rewatching Brotherhood. 



From what I've read of the great shounen.

When I compare Fullmetal Alchemist with all of them, it remains as one of the top best,

but I feel like Tokyo Ghoul and Attack on Titan are better in some form, even with their own flaws. 



Fullmetal Alchemist is a great story for a reason. 

The use of religion in life, with the power of alchemy, the mastermind of 500 years from the Dwarf in the Flask, 

The life and journey of the brothers, the evolving mysteries of the truth, and the events of survival as they fight for their lives.  

The characters, particularly the villains are quite good, as well as the conflicted allies. 



Overall, it's great.

The biggest flaw of Fullmetal Alchemist is its comedy though.

I think it's effortlessly entertaining that it's not bad at all because it's enjoyable, but it does take away in the seriousness of their situations of life and death. 

As teenagers, the logic of their immaturity in tense situations of potential death could be accepted, but regardless, the comedy in those moments are meaningless, and would be better excluded. 

Fullmetal Alchemist would be better if it took itself more seriously by not including comedy in most of these battles of death or any danger.



As for the world building and lore of alchemy, including "God" and the Dwarf in the Flask, 

I personally can't figure out any flaws to them, because it just makes sense, so I think that's fine. 



My nitpicks would be some events after the second half before and during judgement day.

Any moment with Sloth is dull. He's ugly and obnoxious which makes him boring, and some battles with soldiers is a little dull as well. 

The Mannequin Soldiers aren't very menacing or scary I guess which is arguably a problem in making the battle with Sloth somewhat boring. 



The characters are very good. 

Somehow, they're not exactly great or incredible though when I compare them to the characters of Tokyo Ghoul. 

They are great in their own right, but they almost feel underutilized. 

The Homonculi of the Seven Sins of Men is a great concept, and their personalities are fairly good.

Envy and Greed stand out the most since they have the most character development. 

Lust and Gluttony die first so... but Pride is intriguing as well. Wrath is awesome. Incredible villain.



Edward is solid, but it's interesting how well the story did in avoiding him to murder.

As for the supporting characters, they're all very good in their own right of their personality and goals. 

Hohenheim is a bit odd for how cowardly with comic relief he is in the beginning which I'd consider a flaw, but otherwise his excuses are solid. 



I could waste hours in tryng to breakdown each character or plots, but whatever. I think they're all good for the most part.

I'm glad May didn't instantly start (or never) dating Al though, because her love for him starts as a disgusting fantasy replacement of what she envisioned in Ed. 

Lan Fan, I'm surprised only stayed a bodyguard and seemingly never revealed her romantic feelings for Lin in that ending picture. 



Selfishly, I wish there was more romance afterwards with Edward and Winry, but as subtle in slow development their love is, their ending is very sweet.

Even if it's not a grand romance with a lot of moments and only very few developing moments, yet well done for hinting that she fell for him since she was a child. 



... I barely explained anything properly but...

The constant evolution of mystery and their journey was great. The finale battle as Edward wins is beautiful. The finale is nice. 



It's all very good, but when I compare it to Tokyo Ghoul or Attack on Titan,

as great as it is in its own right, while being solid overall. Individually, the plots, twists and characters are better in shock value or drama in Tokyo Ghoul and Attack on Titan.

The flaw with Tokyo Ghoul is the many left unknown mysteries and the somewhat disappointing ending because of that for not knowing more.

As for Attack on Titan... its only flaw is the finale. It's very disappointing and conflicting in feeling. It's confusing as well.



But, compared to Brotherhood. 

A lot of the scenes in Tokyo Ghoul or Attack on Titan are more tragic, dramatic and dark.

Particularly Tokyo Ghoul, the characters are more sophisticated with more complexity.

The characters in Fullmetal Alchemist are good, but TG has a cast that's more complex with more experience in their lives, while FMA's are more simple yet well used in the story. 

It's hard to explain maybe without seeming like I'm hating. They have more backstory and goals, with difficult relationships, while FMA some supporting characters are simpler.



Because FMA has less plots and complicated bonds then TG. Anyway. Incredible manga nonetheless.

Even though I feel that Tokyo Ghoul is "better", FMA is less flawed, thus more close to flawless in some form, because TG left out- I don't know, they're both great. Whatever, lol.
 
  • #147
I know I might be the target of much hatred for posting this, but that ending wasn't as good as advertised - it was a tad underwhelming. It felt more like an epilogue, and less of a final chapter - 107 pretty much wrapped up the final struggle against Father. This chapter just tied up the loose ends and resolved the characters' respective sub-plots (most of what happened were what fans wanted to see) . Nonetheless, it was a great ride. This was one of the first manga I've read, and I've  followed it for the past 4+ years. Certainly one of the best I've laid my eyes on. 9/10 overall.
 
  • #148
Oosran said:
Wiie lots of pages~ <3



No more Greedling D: Just standard Ling.. Oh well that's fine too~

He.. Imploded? Absorbed himself? O.o



What's up with "I'll give you half my life, so give me half of yours!" anyway? : 3

Anyway, just now, I started liking Ed×Winry~



Why is it so sad that it's over now? D':

Do want more~

Spin-off sequel: Fullmetal Alchemist: Ed/Al's Journey, dooo iiiiit~ xD



Tl;dr I don't know if this was as epic an ending as it was possible, but I can't think of any other way that this could have ended without ruining everything ^^;

So, anyway, 10/10, without a doubt, gods this has been an awesome ride~ : >

Looking forward to Arakawa-sensei's next work~



why does the one homunculus everyone likes die but the one everyone doesnt like live? lol it's no fair!!! T_T
 
  • #149
You know, I was so incredibly apprehensive for the last chapter of FMA. I mean, I have just read way too many series that are so strong the entire time, but trip right at the finish line.

But this... Damn, I don't think it could have ended any better. It was the perfect ending for a story like Fullmetal Alchemist. (I admit, it probably wouldn't have worked for another story. That last chapter really was more epilogue, but I think it worked really well that way.) Ed exchanging his own alchemy for Al's body rather than use Hoenheim (like I thought he would) fit so well with the entire theme of the manga.

And I agree with everyone's Ed/Winry sentiments. I've never minded the couple, because it was written very well into the story, but that awkward proposal... that just made me completely support that coupling. It was so true to both of their characters.

I also agree though that if I could complain about one thing, it would be that I would have liked just the tiniest bit of decisive Roy/Riza, just solidify it.



Arakawa is undoubtedly one of the most talented authors I have ever read. It makes me feel so empty inside now that the series is done... but... I'm satisfied. Very satisfied with it. ^^
 
  • #150
I've been reading this series since I was 13 and it's been 5 years. I must say they've been through a lot so it's the ending Ed and Al deserved. As for spin-offs this series should be left alone. I still feel like it's missing something. I can't explain it. I'm not completely satisfied but way more than most endings.
 
  • #151
I agree with Avarice and vindemon64. It did seem generic , anticlimactic and just tied up the loose ends. But the experience was really great. The ups and downs of the story really made this one of the best manga out there. A happy ending is what this manga needed.



Best part for me is when Ed was talking to Winry about equivalent exchange. That really hit me and it was pretty sweet. Ed is a giant now, look at the height difference when he hugged her xD.



But I'm getting confused with the details of this ending though. How did Ed punch a hole in Father's chest with just his fist? Was Father just absorbed by the Truth? How did Hohenheim die, did his stone run out? If Ed can return from beyond the white space or whatever it's called, why did Mustang say he couldn't do it? And where did the back door come from? Just clear this up for me and this will get a 10/10 for me.
 
  • #152
belatkuro said:
. Ed is a giant now, look at the height difference when he hugged her xD.



Maybe alchemy was stunting Ed's growth? xD
 
  • #153
I'm not a huge romantic, but I loved the Ed x Winry moment. It was just so cute. So something Ed would do.



Also, why won't the tears stop?! I wasn't expecting such a happy ending, but it was good anyway :D



I can't believe it's all over! arkjgfdhw;rkgdjaagdwjk I'm gonna go reread the last couple of pages..
 
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