Gintama Chapter 585 Discussion

I doubt Sorachi would have Kagura just stand around doing nothing for the remainder of this arc, even if Gin is taking the front line in this fight right now I'm sure Kagura will still play an important role in changing Kamui in the end.



I'll accept that Kagura overpowering Kamui physically for more than a few hits like she already did would just be unrealistic (unless we get Yato mode Kagura), and just hope that she gets a big fight later.

damn those hands are all ruining, Kamui sure is strong, but Gintoki'll win for sure, wonder if he can fight with Utsuro later on cause he's seriously injury

"Any strength that's got nothing to lose, nothing to protect, is the same as weakness"



such a great line

ziggy_Z said:
bang-bang said:
I'm honestly not thrilled about Kagura taking a back seat for this. It should be Kagura's character arc coming to a peak here along with Kamui's, and just having her stand there is a disservice to how awesome she usually is. Where's the Kagura in 577!! I know that Gin has his MC privileges and solving other people's problems is kind of his thing, but I honestly believe this shouldn't be his fight to fight.

I can understand where you're coming from, but honestly I think this is right. Kagura had her try in SA where she failed against him, and right now Kamui is even stronger than he was when they fought, so she'd lose again.



Sorachi can make any character win any fight if it's convenient for the story, come on. It's all about the circumstances. Look at chapter 577, she had him. He's a mess right now anyway.



Sorachi put this in for a reason, and I believe one reason is to address the Kagura issue: it's not her fight, sure she could probably equal/best Kamui in rage mode, but she doesn't want to kill him, she wants to save him, for him to go back to how he once was. That's why, imo, her being in standby is the right choice.



It's not necessarily about the physical fight though is it? Winning a fight against him wouldn't win him over. I meant it should be her problem to solve. If Gin is the one to change Kamui's mind than that would be his accomplishment and she would have accomplished nothing. What's happening right now is very important to her and to her character and it's been building up for a long while. It would be a cop out to not have her participate.

Gintoki & Kamui are destroying each other.



"I'm Yorozuya Gin-Chan"

Is this even Gintama?

So many chapters without jokes

Looks like it's going to really ended soon :(

GaryMuffuginOak said:
@lagba2 @Ramkec @Chalo08 etc. Where are you guys reading the manga? In English?



http://www.ishuhui.com/post/375904 Its in chinese but there's someone on tumblr who translates it quite ok.

Gintama 2015: Echosen needs to happen. I don't wanna have to wait too long for this epic arc to be animated lol. But it probably will be best if sunrise waits till the whole series is about to end, so we can have a huge season full of nothing but awesomeness.



Wonder if this fight will beat Katsura vs shoukaku, that one was freaking amazing.



Also, that speech at the end, I was almost about to tear up. I'm way too attached to these characters I swear XD