Claymore Chapter 79 Discussion

Yeah, this chapter was definately worth the wait. I absolutely loved the new plot development. But I also want to see what happened to Raki... I mean there's a chance that he might turn out to be amazingly awesome, etc. If not, I vote he should got die :D

(Never have been a big fan of Raki, can't you tell?  :P ))

I think I'm alone reading the manga in this point of the story lol. But before I continue reading it, I need to comment many things so I anticipate it's going to be a long post.



OMG that was a BIG BIG twist to the story. Like for real, it opened a new whole dimension I'm not sure the manga will be able to cover in the 12 mangas and a half I still have to read because there may not be enough time. But wow.



So where to start. I knew the Org. apart from saving the humanity from Yomas was also evil at the same time. Because they use orphan girls as fighting weapons and would even take the children from their families - see Alicia and Beth- (also boys in the past, which were a failed product because they were too powerful and would awaken really fast, like was said volumes ago by Rifuru I think), for individual interests, to gain huge loads of money from the villagers. They also get rid of Claymores when they're not useful or kill them for deserting.

I knew the Org. was behind something a bit dark, but I was not expecting it to be something as big as what was revealed by Miria in this chapter.



Some things I've been questioning myself since I began reading this manga is that if there is a reason behind why they always have the exact number of 47 claymores in their army (why no more, why no less), where do the Yoma come from (although I didn't expect they could be a creation of the Org.), why the Org. guys are so ugly and gaunt, they look like Yomas. Also, what if their army of Claymores is killed, do they have any strenght/power by themselves to fight back, can they transform into monsters too? Every single Claymore in the history have had a different own symbol?



Back to what was said in this chapter, it makes absolutely sense that the Org. is behind the Yoma creation, so their bigger weapon called Claymore can test their power against them and for bigger purposes which may be fighting other human reigns and conquest the world. Also to control an amount of the population in an island having them deceived at his mercy saying that this is the only land that exists on the world.



And after what Miria said in this chapter, I got many rising questions. Do the Abyss creatures know about all that? Do they know the land where they live is only a small part of the world? Do they have any other true motives apart from conquering the small territory they live in?

How did Miria discover all this? I can't accept it is only her assumptions or she's that clever to come with this out of nowhere. How was she able to fight Yoma/AB and at the same time be researching the Org.? Did Miria knew about this since 7 years ago and hasn't tell anyone of the Ghost crew or also discovered some things during this lapse of time she's been with them. Why she didn't even tell Clare about this? Why noone of them asked her about the real reason they should fight the entire Org.? I hope this will be explained.

So someone from the Org. has to have told her about all that, or she had to discover some documents or secretly heard from the cusp about all that. She even gave details about 2 kingdoms fighting for the territory a century ago. So Yomas have only existed since the last 100 years back from the story? The dragons from the other reign are also Awakened beings or other creatures? How has that small village located in a remote place been living without knowing nothing about Yomas? At first, I thought that village may be the base where the Org. is taking the people to create the Yomas or something like that.



All in all, this chapter was a big shock for me, it expands the Claymore world a lot I can't even think of, nor I do know where the story will be going after the speech of Miria.

I'm very excited to continue reading.

iBananaMonkey said:
If you reread the manga, you will realize the author was hinting at this and planning this for so long, ever since miria said after the battle with the male awakened being, "I've dug too deep in the organization's secrets. I'm at the point of no return. It's best if you don't find out." or something along those lines



another time, teresa told a village "if you don't pay, we won't come to help you next time. villages who don't pay usually end up being wiped out by a group of yoma." the organization guy was like, "you make it sound like we send in the yoma ourselves" and teresa was like "we don't?" meaning she knew about this secret but didn't care. other claymores probably found out too but were killed or kept quiet, not only miria



I'm currently rereading claymore and on this chapter :)



I know this is a bit late, but all you say is most likely true, even the last bit about Warriors being killed to keep quiet. In (http://www.manga2u.me/Claymore/27/20/) the male AB already has hear that Miria has "extensive knowledge" and when he says "If they're too smart... they wont live long either." And that he kills all Warriors sent to kill him to stay alive might suggest this as well (anime version he says "I kill all warriors sent to me" which would be better if he said that in the manga). This is the main reason why I like Claymore so much, it's because its so well thought out that things connect all throughout the manga.

Iri said:
PRAISE BE!  I've been having some serious Cynthia/Tabitha withdrawal lately.  Not only were they in the chapter, they talked and were useful!  Manna, manna from heaven!  Or Jump Square magazine.  I'm so happy I don't care.



Other than that, decent chapter with unforeseen turns.  I just hope Claymore doesn't turn out to be set in 23rd-century post-apocalyptic New Zealand or something.



that remains a possibility though.

Well, I know there is no one here anymore, but I just want to share my thoughts or rather rants about this chapter.



I feel cheated on this so called bombshell revelation in this chapter, I don't know how to explain it, but it feels like the plot-twist was coming out of nowhere and placed there just too surprised the reader. Some people compared this to Attack on Titan's plot twist, but in AOT at the very least they treated the origin of the titan as mystery and what mystery the world out of the wall hold as the main plot line so when everything get revealed it was feel natural even though we didn't expected them, the revelation answered our question.



While in this manga the nature or origin of Yoma was never talked about save for the few first chapters when they said Yoma is an ancient creature who eat human. None of the characters ever talked about it, let alone questioned it. It was the same with the small island laboratory theory, the manga said there is 49 (or 47?) Teritories indicating it was a big continent, not to mention the northern and southern areas has different weather and climate. And again, no character as far as I remember ever saying that their land is the only landmass in the world and suddenly BOOM, it was actually a small island use for laboratory. And how exactly the explorers can't find the outer land? Are the explorers there is utterly incompetent? There is no plausible explanation of why they didn't find the outer land early. Again for comparison, in AOT the government forbid peoples to go outside, not to mention there is titans outside, and actively prevent people to doing so.



I am not an expert in plot-twist thing, but usually a good plot twist has a hint or at the very least an indication of what will or actually happen, even when you can't even guess what it is until it's revealed, so when you re-watch or reread it again everything like coming together so you feel it was your fault for not see it coming. But it's not the case for this manga. I still interested to see where or how the author continued this story, but those "bombshell plot-twist" is really getting on my nerves.



And please pardon for my crude English, it's not my native language.

Things are getting tense, that was a real bombshell O__O

I must confess that I expected the bombshell (Organisation creating the Yoma)  of this chapter to be the case. But having it confirmed? Brilliant! It makes things much more interesting on many level.



I did not expect there to be another bigger continent, were AB's would be used as warriors though. That will just expand Claymore's scope enormously. Say goodbye to a quick ending , huh?



My only issue with this chapter, is how the hell did Miria spend 7 years sleeping in a cave with the others and never mentioning this? I mean come on.

Certainly one of the more jaw dropping reveals in a manga. Unfortunately it will also turn out to be


one of THE biggest wasted opportunities of an amazing setup I have ever read. The fact that this part of the story went absolutely NOWHERE still pisses me off to this day. Such a gigantic disappointment.



This was such a dealbreaker for me that it had a really big negative impact on my opinion of the manga as a whole. It left a really bad taste in my mouth after the series finished and unfortunately that was the impression that stuck for quite a while. I decided to re-read this on a whim and was honestly surprised just HOW good the manga actually was. Really reminded me of why this was one of my favourite series back in the day. But all of this makes the inevitable letdown even more frustrating...