Fairy Tail Chapter 536 Discussion

Pandarenboy said:
This unoriginal piece of garbage certainly tells a whole other story about an author who only writes for the profit without a general target audience in mind.



Think of it what you want. But the results of the product hint towards boredom rather than coorperate greed. Don´t get me wrong I´m not saying that Hiro Mashima doesn´t enjoy his job. But at least to me it looks like he got bored with this particular project.  



Is he a horrendous author? Undoubtably.

Is he a sellout? No.



Sheragin said:




I know I make an impossible statement, but if you lack in something, you must work hard to cover that or you find a partner to cover you for that. But he didn't do that. I'm amaze by the fight scenes, the coloring, the drawing, but not the story, let alone the character. He works hard, but doesn't think enough about the plot.

If he values his freedom and draws what he likes, he should be an illustrator. That'd be the same.

His assistant maybe love him, but we're not his assistant and we don't even know his assistant that well.



Hiro Mashima doesn´t give a shit about you either!

He wants his fans and his assistants to love him because "you"! don´t pay him!



And no, being an illustrator is exactly the opposite of having personal freedom. He´d be tied towards commissions where he´d be forced to draw what "others" want him to draw so that he can sustain himself.

You may argue that he´s a "millionaire" , so he´s free to be an illustrator and only take on commissions he enjoys, or just sit on his ass and draw whatever he likes.



Well, now "after Fairy Tail" he´s capable of doing that, if he chose too, because before this Manga he wasn´t particulary popular.

lvl21 said:
Nothing's wrong with a ambitious MC. But his goal is basically Naruto & Luffy's combined.



let see... asta want to become magic emperor, to free his orphanage from poverty, and change discrimination towards commoner by aristocrat based by mana power... tell me again his motive is similar with naruto and luffy combined...



lvl21 said:
Both of them are the same. Its true that now Deku's grown up, but he started from the bottom, no one believed in him, with no superpowers he risked his life for someone who he admires. His development is good. How are they not the same? You're saying that people started to acknowledge Asta's potential, isn't that what happened with Deku too?



nobody know deku has no superpower (well, except bakugo)... he inherited will power from strongest superhero... what they know he done excellent in the test and sport tournament even onwards...  how is that underdog? asta however does an underdog, but he proven he is worthy soon enough...



lvl21 said:
Okay, tell me another manga, that has superhero's like MHA?



the one who established modern battle shounen is kinnikuman... google it if you don't know...



lvl21 said:
I stopped taking interest in battle shonen manga since I started college, now obviously I'm not the target one, its for a younger audience, but still, the writing is just bad, there's nothing you haven't seen before, and you can read other manga, similar to it, but done much better. If you enjoy the series, that's fine, I don't care, I'm just stating my opinion on it.

i don't think people who need emphasize his age is mentally adult...



well, that aside, i just stating opinion about your opinion... what make it bad writed? how you can come to conclusion that it better not be read by anyone?

lvl21 said:


I'm not trying to defend FT by saying this, but Black Clover is the most generic shonen ever, the amount of cringe in every chapter is ridiculous. I'm not expecting originality when it comes to battle shonen manga, but Black Clover is just like a compilation of different shonen tropes, pasted on a paper. But maybe it'll change for the better later on? If not it will end up as FT with this garbage writing.

I understand your assesment. I have not read anything Black clover related yet, nor do I have any interest in it. Following solely the information I already have regarding it´s premise.



But, would you mind, elaborating on your definition, of the term generic in the context of Shounen Manga? I consider it to be in a similar predicament as the word "pretentious", regarding discussion over the internet. It has become to overused to retain it´s original  meaning.



The word generic, signifies that the content of the contextual entity it is affiliated with, is universally accepted as common among it´s competition.

As far as I know, Black Clover is an underdog story, taking place in a fantastical setting. With a hero aiming for the highest position within his society. Who  attains superpowers, after being introduced with none. In a world where superpowers are commonplace.



To me it sounds, exactly like the premise of MHA, whose praises are sung far and wide by it´s fans. What makes Black clover inferior in quality and more akin to it´s peers my comparision? Shounen Manga have a wide range and appeal. You have One Piece your favorites list. A series that shares five out of six commonalities with Black clover.



Don´t get me wrong One Piece is also one of my favorite series, but that´s highly because I was introduced to it 16 years ago.



If analyzed One Piece is too.



1. An underdog story,

2. With a main character that wants to be at the top of society.

3. With superpowers.

4. In a world where superpowers are common place

5. Taking place in a fantastical setting.

well that was awesome Zeref got owned and acknologia got defeated...

I just can't get over it, the fact that I called it 2 months ago (chapter 528) that Acno is gonna get rekt by a boat.

It's like Mashima read my post back then and decided to make it the climax.



I have been laughing for an hour now, oh the sweet tears of the Zeref and Acno fanboys.

Thinking that they would save the ending.

Hilarious.



August was the only real threat after all, just as I predicted.

lvl21 said:




Black Clover reminds me a lot of the early Naruto & Fairy Tail, done really poorly. The main character's goal is to become the Number 1 Mage in the kingdom (or something like that, don't remember since I dropped it for like an year or so).



Both Black Clover and MHA have similar themes, tho what makes MHA better, is the execution of that underdog theme, something we've seen before, but done right here as opposed to Black Clover. You have the main characters, Deku and Asta, which are opposite of one another; Deku doesn't fall into the "dumb-carefree-dense-as-a-rock" type of character we've seen so many times, but Asta is exactly that type of character, he's a bland character, with no personality, and nothing that makes him stand out, compared to other MC's from different series, like One Piece, Naruto etc.



The world of Black Clover has been done so many times, and there are other manga that have magic, and the usage of it is far more interesting than here. BHA   is more 'original' when it comes to the abilities you can use in that world. These are kinda my thoughts about why MHA is better than Black Clover (didn't dive too deep). I'm sure you're familiar with MHA and know it flaws, its not perfect, its a good series, and compared to Black Clover is much better. I said I don't expect originality when it comes to these type of series, but while MHA has similar themes, there are some things there that have a good twist to them, in the end its all about the execution.

So in summary, Black clover may be cooked the same way as MHA but it lacks it´s seasoning, giving it a bland taste. Gotcha.



As far as MHA goes. I find it to be an ok Manga. Definately below it´s predecessors Naruto and One Piece and even it´s Dad, Dragon Ball. Not only because I grew up with those, but because of the highschool setting and the lack of blood, a problem that became more dominant in resent years with One Piece. By blood I don´t mean meaningless bodycounts of nobodies.



We need more Aces, more Jirayas but also more Master Roshi´s, Piccolos and Dinosaurs. With all it´s shortcomings, like death becoming meaningless, no one can say that Dragon Ball wasn´t at least imaginative.

Kuma said:




whats wrong with ambitious MC? heck, even luffy want become king of pirate... not every author can be like ashihara-sensei (world trigger) which creating over complex character and well rounded fer every character...



Nothing's wrong with a ambitious MC. But his goal is basically Naruto & Luffy's combined.



deku is not even underdog... he already coming with blast... it simply nobody know his actual power... asta isn't even a carefree person, just really less fuck to give... sure, he is underdog because the absence of mana in the world when you need mana even for simpliest thing like gaming, the only thing i can think of can considered similiar in that is break blade... and now he isn't even underdog anymore and most people acknowledging his potential... even deku is more flat than that... asta has nearly none malicious thing around him and he simply extreamly positive person...



Both of them are the same. Its true that now Deku's grown up, but he started from the bottom, no one believed in him, with no superpowers he risked his life for someone who he admires. His development is good. How are they not the same? You're saying that people started to acknowledge Asta's potential, isn't that what happened with Deku too?



superhero already done to death too... and whats wrong with magic in black clover? what's the different with other magic series? what make BNHA superheroes is different?



Okay, tell me another manga, that has superhero's like MHA?



I stopped taking interest in battle shonen manga since I started college, now obviously I'm not the target one, its for a younger audience, but still, the writing is just bad, there's nothing you haven't seen before, and you can read other manga, similar to it, but done much better. If you enjoy the series, that's fine, I don't care, I'm just stating my opinion on it.



Isterio said:


So in summary, Black clover may be cooked the same way as MHA but it lacks it´s seasoning, giving it a bland taste. Gotcha.



As far as MHA goes. I find it to be an ok Manga. Definately below it´s predecessors Naruto and One Piece and even it´s Dad, Dragon Ball. Not only because I grew up with those, but because of the highschool setting and the lack of blood, a problem that became more dominant in resent years with One Piece. By blood I don´t mean meaningless bodycounts of nobodies.



We need more Aces, more Jirayas but also more Master Roshi´s, Piccolos and Dinosaurs. With all it´s shortcomings, like death becoming meaningless, no one can say that Dragon Ball wasn´t at least imaginative.



Pretty much, but hey if you want to read it, go ahead, its  a waste of time in my opinion, and it might end up like FT, or not. But you don't miss on anything. Agreed with the last sentences.

Ain't nobody messing with Nakama Power. Guess that's it for Zeref. Now for Mavis to make him a good guy again, maybe.

I don't think this is the end of Acnologia but if it is that's really lame.



Only 10 chapters left huh, Hiro better make those ships nice at least. Not expecting anything good from the fights with how it's been for a while.

Saddens me to see FT in this state.