Fairy Tail Chapter 509 Discussion

sasalx said:
zal said:
This has gone from a war to family argument, that's not really an improvement.



I think this war always about family.Zeref wants Mavis and we have Natsu and now we have a son.It wasn't for us/me until we found out they were relatives among themselves. Now this twist says that it was about family all along, kinda since there's still the other dragon dude that is not a relative to anyone yet.

At first it was only a minor thing between natsu and zeref but now it's much bigger considering there's also the dubious connection between Erza and the other witch.

ahsinam33 said:
Janvie_Pascal said:
ahsinam33 said:
Looks like Mashima is going to make us wait a lot longer before revealing Eileen's connection to Erza. But on the plus side, it looks like Mashima isn't going to troll Jellal again; Jellal might actually have a proper victory against a strong antagonist this time.

Also, Rakheid is Mavis' son! I thought that by Zeref's son it was  meant that Rakheid was a creation of Zeref or something. But it doesn't seem like that's the case. How long did Mavis spend with Zeref anyway? And does she even know that she has a son? Or did she have him when she was...uh...comatose? I think I can finally stop thinking of Mavis as a small kid. She may look like a kid but she's an adult all right...



Jellal should be logically losing to August. Infact he should be knocked out. It was disappointing that he woke up. and has no chance against August. Jellal should not in anway win this one, especially when he's not even in the same league as August. Let's get real here.

Well, if I'm REALLY logical, then yeah, Jellal should not be able to win against August. But considering how everybody defeated so many of the Spriggans and considering how Erza is probably going to defeat Eileen in the near future (okay, maybe Erza isn't the best example), Jellal defeating August isn't really  that unrealistic.



But... August isn't a typical spriggan though. He's pretty much the strongest, (hyped to have more knowledge of magic than even Zeref) and even the leader of the core. He simply shouldn't have the same treatment as the others because his power level of gap is way too stronger.

I lol'd at Jellal being surprised of August curbstomping Crime Sorciere single-handedly. I mean, that's the least you could expect from someone called "The King of all Magic".



So Zeref + Mavis = Rakheid... And only Mavis can defeat Rakheid.

I still want a clear explanation on Rakheid's birth. My guess is that he was artificially created.



RIP Kagura... ?



Next chapter is called "Natsu's heart". I'm curious right now.

Isterio said:
metsujin said:
Think Zeref created Larcade from his and Mavis's  blood, or something. The sex jokes are funny tho.... to some extend, at least people are creative.



Whatever the solution is.



Rakheid´s or Larcade´s magic creates a plothole no matter how you look at it, except time travel is involved somehow.



If Mavis/Zeref never had Sex, why is she affected by her sons magic?



If his magic isn´t related to Sex, then why didn´t other people who experienced pleasure in their life get affected by it.



Furthermore why did Mashima make the deliberate choice to make the affected characters breahe heavily, moan and sweat bullets.



All of it is  Bs and people call it out as what it is.



Forgot to read the official scans too see if Larcade said something different than "the forbiden fruit" or as we know Mashima he's probably referring to love rather than sex...  Also the time travel part is... yeah, it doesn't make sense, it would be a plot hole. Honestly I don't think there's anymore thought into this arc.

Regarding Rakheid, I have a theory. He is not actually real, but created by Mavis' subconcious through her illusions magic. Similar to Zera, but Rakheid is much more tangible in that everyone can see him, and he is more "physical". This may explain his immense strength (even blocking a sword with his fingers), because he has no physical limits unlike a real flesh and blood human.



It would also explain why August said Mavis (the mother) is the only one who can defeat Rakheid. Similar to Zera's case, if Mavis becomes aware that something her subconcious created isn't real, that entity will cease to exist.



My theory is when something traumatic happens to Mavis, her illusions magic triggers to create something from her subconcious. In Zera's case, it was when Zera died. In Rakheid's case, I suspect Mavis' own death is the traumatic event which triggered her subconcious to create something even more tangible and powerful than Zera; her son Rakheid.



Regarding Kagura, I don't think Kagura is dead. Firstly, it's Fairy Tail and it is very rare for characters to die. It would do her injustice to die like that. Secondly, Kagura was stabbed by Minerva in the Grand Magic Games arc, and she lived. You even got Gray and Juvia stabbing themselves just a few chapters back, and they lived. So, Kagura will live.

Jellal defeated against August was expected, the latter is very strong..

I really don't get Larcade magic tbh, and he's Zeref and Mavis' son? I ship them but this is just...weird...

August too powerful for Jellal & Crime Sorciere.



Kagura showing off her sword skills. Nice slash to the Mountain.

Her Judgement not enough to stop Larcade.



More people know about the Natsu's relation to Zeref.

Mavis is Larcade's Mother.

Aerensianic said:
Story is turning even more strange/silly then normal lately.



Pleasure magic? Really? Come on now...

Please please August finish off Jellal...he is so pathetic now its hard to watch him.



Unless there are some large gaps in the material Zeref likely science'd his son up using Mavis's DNA.



And watch Erza is going to turn out to be some kind of fragment of Eileen or something silly too.



Mashima won't kill Jellal, apparently he doesn't want Jellal to end in the same way as Sieghart from his earlier work. I really hope that Mashima realizes that seeing the current Jellal may actually be more painful to the fans than seeing him get kill off. >__>



I was sad that Ultear got phased off but at least we don't have to suffer through seeing Ultear getting trashed around now like Jellal and the others are.