Darklight0303 said:
Theusis3 said:
Darklight0303 said:
Theusis3 said:
Zerienga said:
BlueBaegon said:
This was a good chapter. I feel like the fight between Natsu and Zeref is too soon, especially because it's it's supposed to be very climactic and they still have 11 spriggans and tons of foot soldiers to beat up.
*Queue 10 chapter break from the Zeref v Natsu fight* ;)
Darklight0303 said:
TheGrandSage23 said:
Good chapter(7/10) but god Erza annoys me now and Mavis is being punked by Zeref.
This time this has nothing to do with being a me being a Gray fanboy or not. So don't try to use that angle. Gray was right to second guess. Erza has Natsu's(second favorite character after Post TS Lucy) manhood firmly inside her and it's been that way for too long. Trying make Gray seem like he's in the wrong with her "high and mighty our faith is all that matters bs" then Mavis just comes along and agrees.. No mention of Natsu being too gung ho. And you wonder how Zeref is punking Mavis so easily? This was one of the problems FT had(fixed it after the GMG arc for the most part) that "faith and friendship" was all that mattered to win and not power or skill.
The reason why this situation is better handled is because we know that Natsu is one of the strongest characters in the FT verse and that his power has grown immensely. He was specifically created to end Zeref's life however the thing is that we(the audience) know this not the characters. If Gray knew what Natsu was he wouldn't second guess but instead have faith in Natsu for logical reasons. Instead of having blind faith like Erza or Mavis for no reason whatsoever
I might believe what you say if Gray had not explicitly mentioned the Book of END. You know the same thing he was so gung ho about destroying EVEN THOUGH THE FREAKING HUNDRED IF NOT THOUSAND YEAR DRAGON SAID NOT TO!
Gray heard Igneel say this when? Oh, that's right. Igneel only told Natsu that while they were a few hundred or thousand feet in the air. Gray could totally hear that, right guys?
I usually just sit around and read everyone's opinions instead of commenting, but you posted something that is logically impossible.
Technically Gray wasn't around when Igneel said not to destroy the book of E.N.D.
And Natsu only told Gray that he promised Igneel to retrieve the book of E.N.D.
And Gray himself has made a promise to his father to destroy the book of E.N.D.
Both of them naturally conflict due to promises they made.
Erza is blindly trusting in Natsu. However you can see Mavis hesitate. She agrees with Erza as there isn't actually anything they can do about it, but simply trust in Natsu's judgement and abilities. They have other problems to think about.
If anyone believe there is a better idea, please share your thoughts. I just want to state that this is my own observations and opinion.
People usually don't have a problem with characters. They somehow just have a problem with and cannot ignore the fanboys of characters. e.g. Gray's hardcore fanboys apparently.
As for the fact if Gray finds out that Natsu is E.N.D. which he will find out eventually. He'll be faced with a dilemma, whether he will destroy Natsu or not. Can he save Natsu and destroy E.N.D. Is that possible? E.N.D. and Natsu are the same person. What happens when E.N.D. is awakened.
Looking forward to Mashima's writing.
It doesn't matter if Gray heard or didn't hear what Igneel told Natsu. First off Gray was there when Atlas Flame said that Igneel fought END 400 years ago but couldn't beat him. That alone gives Igneel more credence than some revived corpse who had nothing but second or third hand account knowledge of END. Someone who fought END VS Someone who only heard about END. It doesn't take a genius to figure out whose words are more valid.
Gray was anything but reasonable at that point in time. He wasn't thinking straight in the least. His whole vendetta against END is nothing more than a stopgap measure to keep Gray somewhat relevant Or else he'd end up just as detached from the main plotline as Erza.
First off END was sealed away hundreds of years before Deliora destroyed his village and killed his parents. IT wasn't like END ORDERED DEliora to do that. At most that would probably be Marde Geer's doing.
Second: The guarantee that Devil Slayer magic that Silver came up with can for sure take down END. On what basis? Silver was not around when END was active. He has never seen END in action, he has never fought END. And yet somehow this random magic can kill him. Zeref's finest creation for the purpose of killing him.
It's a joke and anyone buying into it literally is nothing more than a fool.
CookingPriest said:
> Implying END story will be about FodderGray and not Lucy
KEK.
Gray is there to be foderized by END, due to his unhealthy END obsession. Lucy is there to save/stop Natsu. That's the only logical way this can go.
Yup pretty much and that moment can't come any sooner.
I can agree that I don't think Gray will be able to stop END, it is likely to be Lucy in my view. Though I disagree with the argument that it didn't matter if Gray didn't hear what Igneel said or not. In Gray's POV, he only has a promise he made with his dad to destroy all of Zeref's demons, with END being the last one alive. And he only heard Igneel tell Natsu to retrieve the book, never did he hear that Igneel told Natsu not to destroy it.
And also I've always stated and thought that Gray's sudden power-up was Mashima's way to keep Gray relevant in the story, since there was no way he was ever going to get anyone close enough to Natsu and the other characters by just training. Gray was already reaching his limit before the power-up, unless he found a way to improve to re-creating absolute zero.
The whole point is not that END killed his parents or ordered Deliora to do it or not. It was a promise made. And Silva's power was developed to defeat demons, and END is a fire demon according to Silva. So he believed that it would work on END. As for END being created with the body of Zeref's brother as a core, that is difficult to know what and how that would affect things. Also no one knows that except for Zeref and 'perhaps' Igneel.
It was said that Igneel couldn't defeat END 400 years ago. We do not get a reason why or what happened. It could be that Igneel couldn't defeat END because END was still a child, and he couldn't find it in his heart to destroy it. He chose to raise Natsu up, perhaps knowing that he is END, and that if he read the book, it would awaken something and if you destroyed the book, Natsu would die.. Though that is just my speculation.
Also note that I never said that Gray would beat END with his power, but from his point of view, it is his best chance, knowing that his power works against demons.
And what's with people saying about Natsu having suddenly found out a move to beat Zeref. And it's unbelievable. He had a year in training with Gildartz for some parts. Though I do think that if he said it only can be used one time, it might be that he found a way to store magical energy for a whole year while training, and under his bandages are symbols or runes. That's just my thoughts.
The 400+ year old dragon that actually encountered END said to get the book. If you're thinking straight or being reasonable you listen to the experienced party. Gray did nothing of the sort. He was blinded by vengeance at that time and if Zeref hadn't stolen the book would have probably destroyed the book right in front of Natsu. The book that his dear father told him to retrieve.
Gray wasn't being reasonable with Natsu. Both of them were on opposite ends of what each had to do. And Gray isn't fueled with vengeance, rather the need to uphold a promise made, which he is blinded by. He definitely would have destroyed that book if Zeref didn't take it back.
Mashima has been making Gray and Natsu parallel with each other. Both are now just upholding promises to their respective fathers.
Though Gray did get the book, he only knows that Natsu's job was to retrieve it. He probably never even thought of the idea that the book shouldn't be destroyed, to him the threat should be eliminated. I still think that destroying the book would destroy Natsu, and Igneel didn't want that. We'll never know what Igneel was going to do with the book, perhaps hide it away for ever somewhere. Just a speculation.
