Fairy Tail Chapter 449 Discussion

Isterio said:
metsujin said:
Okay so regarding Mavis's 'curse' the immortal part, she used Law incomplete black magic, that made her stop aging, making her immortal. Being a newb and using black magic arts... yeah I'd say you're screwed. But will she have the same curse as Zeref? All living things die when she cares about life? To me it seems a bit off, that she'll have the same curse as Zeref, unless, and this is just a thought. The 'God' that cursed him, decided to punish whoever tries to be close to him.



Their is an inherent difference between the ways they commited a "crime against nature". Zeref inteded to bring back a dead person.

Mavis brought back a friend from an abnormal status aka transformation.



It´s highly unlikely that they share literally  the same curse but rather that the curse manifests itself in nuances.



Love isn´t love afterall.



I guess, but the way Zeref put it, it seems that they're the same... kinda, tho yeah their situation are somewhat similar, Zeref's sin being a bit more bad than Mavis's. Which makes me believe Zeref had Natsu in that tube before he got cursed.

Suno_Kaji said:
Isterio said:


My prediction. Yuri loses his wife through Mavis and becomes immortal by using an "incomplete dark spell" as well. Calling himself God Serena.







Read: Year X700



I doubt that "death" means anything else (in this case), than death itself. No hidden meaning, no nothing. Otherwise I'm sure that it would have been blackened as well or, like Warrod and Precht, stated that he withdrew without explaining further or what happened after that.



There are  too many conveniences for it to be just death, also we knew Mavis wasn´t "really  dead" that was no more secret so it was reasonable to blacken it out. However Yuri´s story is something that won´t get revealed if right now but if he´s God Serena when he´ll hit the spotlight, since it´s meant to be a secret blackening it out too  would be too obvious foreshadowing.



Mavis dies and Yuri dies 3 years after?

I don´t buy it, especially since Mavis happens to dissapear just right after Makarovs birth.  So her dissapereance is more or less confirmed to be conencted to Makarov.



Keep in mind that he´s the only one who has "God" in his surname.



Warrod doesn´t have it, the Elven guy doesn´t have it and the guy who is probably Elfman´s granddad (joke) doesn´t have it either.



If there is actually no relation and "God Serena" is just some new random dude than it was a poor design choice for his looks on Hiros part.



The last time we got introduced a random OP person (Kagura) it was revealed that she was related to Simon and that Erza saved her life.

Or remember the time when it turned out that Gildarts is Cana´s Dad?

Or the time when it was revealed that the guy who looked like Gray from the future was Gray´s dad?

Or the time when we learned that the Oracion seis guy was Wally´s brother.

Or the time when Angel turned out to be Yukino´s big sis.

uzee said:
Looks like she's almost kill Makarov with her power & then seal herself in the crystal



Could be, but from final pages of FT Zero we know that Mararov was born in March X696 and the sin, supposed death (or whatever, that info is blackened) of Mavis was in X697, so if she endangered Makarov, it wasn't right after his birth.



The interesting thing in this chapter was Zeref's comment how Mavis has the power to walk alongside him while he was crying, so ist's more and more clear he doesn't desire Lumen Histoire but Mavis herself.

dvdmpg said:
I will remain skeptical regarding Mavis curse being the same as Zeref's. Zeref tried for years to reverse death, that's why he got cursed; but Mavis just used an incomplete black magic... I don't see how can both be related. reversing death is black magic

Suno_Kaji said:
If Yuri is indeed God Serena I'm going to flip some tables.



As Darklight stated, there is no way Warrod would not recognize him. Sure, you could argue that we never saw his reaction because they didn't face each other so far. But his reaction when being told that God Serena now is a Spriggan would have been more intense, shocked.



Isterio said:


You may do this, but it won´t change Hiro´s writing. You´re right regarding Warrod, but only if you asssume that he doesn´t already know Yuri´s change into "god" Serena. However my theory claims that Yuri changed personalities 3 years after Makarov was born and changed his identity (with his friends knowing) because of some big event. I´m not sure what it was but losing his wife and Mavis seems plausible to me.



Suno_Kaji said:


Secondly: Makarov. As far as we got to know Yuri, he deeply cares for his friends and family. Do you really think that he would abandon his three year old child, disappearing without a clue? If he didn't, Makarov should know about him. If he did, it would be OOC.

Mavis would also know by now I guess.



Jumping to conclusions just because the shadow (we didn't see Serena in detail) looks similar to Yuri is way too fast. Especially since he seems to be aging (look at the tiny differences in his appearance).



Isterio said:


Remember when Gajeel was a bad guy? It´s called character development, a peoples changes within 80 years peoples also changes when their waifu died or when something else big happens.There is no OOC when you deliver the right circumstances for a character to change and develop.



Who should Mavis mention Yuri towards?

Or who should Makarov or Warrod mention this info towards?

It took Warrod a whole arc to tell the main cast that he was a former FT member,which he only did because Lucy "insulted" him, why should anyone from the cast spoil such a surprise?

Suno_Kaji said:


So far, there is no reason for him to be alive. Adding him and creating kind of a love triangle with Yuri - Mavis - Zeref would be horrible storytelling. He just doesn't fit in.  



Isterio said:
Seriosuly that´s what you care about? You assume "this" would  be his role? If he brings Yuri back, then you assume it´s for the sake of pairing trolling?I´ll just ignore that part since I don´t understand why you even mentioned it.



Suno_Kaji said:


If Serena is going to be a new character, please remind me to remind you that you were wrong ('cause you seem to like this competition "Who's going to be right" and to remind people that they were wrong like you are the all-knowing little devil, sitting on Mashima's shoulder the whole time and it was just so easy to predict... seriously...).



Isterio said:
I actually only do this with Dark Light since he was really obnoxious with his Gray Uchiha prediction and sold on to it alongside one other person, to the point where they couldn´t talk decent anymore. So you may do this yourself



When I read the chapter I initially assumed that Mavis would be responsible for Makarov´s big brothers death or even Yuri himself, which I dismissed after reading the timeline, however, after reading it none of that would make sense except Makarov is revealed to had a twin.

Yeah,it's really suspicious,but when you think about it, "Law" is a magic that turns the caster into a "god". They get to stand in a higher ground than the rest and choose who gets punished with death and who doesn't. Plus,the magic was incomplete at the time. I do wonder what it means for a magic to be incomplete,since Makarov and Laxus used fairy law and didn't get cursed. Maybe fairy law is weaker than law?



Zeref's research too entered "god's dormain",the dormain of life and death. Since he loved life that much,his curse was "simple": His death waves would randomly activate and kill people. If he wanted to avoid this,he had to disregard life's importance. In other words,Zeref would always be killing.



Perhaps that is the perk of Mavis's curse. It will not randomly kill people around here,but it will make her kills others through her decisions.  Or maybe she really will begin to kill people accidentally.  Whatever Zeref was with Mavis,his curse didn't activate. Well.Well,the first paragraph is just a supposition,but from Ankhselam,'s "point of view",Mavis attempted to become a god.



Of course,Zeref could be mistaken and Mavis is just cursed with immortality and agelessness

So Mavis is immortal to, well how does that explain her ghost form? I guess Mavis sealed herself, and Fairy Heart if used would release Mavis and she could kill everybody. I guess Makarov's plan in the Tartarus arc was for Mavis to kill all the Tartarus members by having Mavis touch them, and now will we have Mavis kill the whole empire, I don't think she wants to do that.



It is nice to see Mavis the tactician in action, that was cool, and boy did Hiro troll us with Zeref and Mavis looking like they were about to kiss, does Zeref act like that around everyone that gains immortality, he didn't almost kiss Acnologia, did he?



I wonder if Mavis killed Yuri, if so Makarov is not holding that against her, I hope we get to see baby Makarov next chapter.



This was a good chapter, Fairy Tail is on a roll lately.

so mavis is immortal, but why zeref wants her ?