Fairy Tail Chapter 440 Discussion
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They're not that inconsistent to me, and if you're gonna say "There's a powerful villain, and FT got powerful mages, but Natsu takes them out.". He does it with help, and I'm talking about Zero, Jellal, Hades, F!Rogue, Mard Geer (Gajeel was not the biggest thread in Phantom Lord). Again this is my own opinion, I give facts you give facts, who's right or wrong? Who knows.
The quotes come from quotes Hiro specifically puts into the Manga to give us the readers an idea of the powerlevels within the guild and the Fairy Tail universe.
I had a discussion with my cousin back in the day when Fairy Tail in the manga was around the Tenrous Island arc, I think they barely had come back and we talked about "powerlevels".
He quoted something which made me think, y that´s true but that´s also kinda bullshit.
I was arguing how Gildarts should be the strongest judging by feats then I mentioned Laxus along the lines of second strongest and he said well "Natsu is among them, because he has "determination strength", he get´s stronger when his enemie overpowers him". That concept in itself is stupid because going by that without applying any rules to it "Natsu becomes Superman, he becomes as strong as he needs to be".
Which yeah, the main cast in Batlle shounen has to win, but not always in that obvious way.
See this "superman concept" can be done right and it was done right by none other than Kubo, who get´s alot of shit for his writing. But he managed to explain the concept of a character getting conveniently stronger the momment he needs it without explanation in a reasonable way. Simply by reversing the process.
I don´t wanna spoil, but within the Bleach series there is a flashback for a character that was struggling with his enemies in every fight, but beating them all of sudden by powering up. This character get´s revealed to have unconciously nerfed himself in the past therefore the power he was accesing all the time wasn´t really a power up but actually power he would have acces too if he wouldn´t have nerfed himself in the past.
It´s not a good explanation but it´s reasonable, because it limits the characters capacities to his maximum potential he used to have during his prime, no more.
If this character wants to surpass his prime he´d actually have to go training, which is a reasonable way to strengthen characters or get a power up with explanation like Jellals Golden flame. Btw I hate Oda´s way of growing Luffy it´s Bullshit it´s a plothole to the story and it´s the same deal as with Natsu, which is why I´m not a fan of Luffy and have a dislike for Natsu.
More a dislike for Natsu, because Hiro refuses to just put him on the top of the food chain and let´s Laxus and Erza onehit him while Gildarts intimidates him to the point where he doesn´t even try. I do not count those "defeats" as regular losses but show us his groth Hiro. Either he has surpassed them or not.
Because if he´s gonna apply the past logic again then the whole timeskip had no purpose since Natsu would become stronger during his fights anyway as long as the plot demands it.
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It still leads to alot of confusion because Natsu was never explained to be "the strongest" which makes it necessary for Hiro to pull power ups and friendship speeches out of his ass to somehow justify guys like Mira/Laxus or Makarov losing while Natsu beats their enemies.
That´s pretty much the worst thing about Fairy Tails narrative and before you come up with the arguments how other Shounen do that, no they don´t .Naruto is a good example of powerlevels while keeping the MC important. Untill he faced Pain he never won any fight against a villain besides Gaara. And Gaara was a team effort.
Furhtermore why do you keep calling that Dragon thing a team effort? I do not believe that Wendy had any meaningful imapct on taht, in general untill the Face incident, Wendy was always mere support.That´s why this arc is so important because it evolved so many characters and reversed their roles since forever.
But Wendy did provide support, plus she's still young. Well I said this a lot of times, but the Dragon Slayers seem to have gotten stronger after the dragons came out of them.
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Ezra should have done the right thing and assembled a small team she would know could get in and out without MUCH trouble, I would say the team should be Natsu(u can't stop him), Gray(he has proven to be a great spy), Gajeel(he was proven to be an amazing spy), Wendy( just in case for healing and support), Warren (need that telepathic link up), Mest(he had proven he is the mvp of spies), and Laxus(need a SuperOmwhaUltimateBadass just in case and so we can see bad ass scenes.,If Ezra had done this she would have proven she could be an okay leader and gramps could maybe even let her be GM plus the team would have been able o get in and out as well as handle any problems that come their way, but instead Erza had to prove she is the worst GM in exsiestence and you can't say sting is just as bass because he fights in the front lines too when that is not the problem here, the problem is that Erza never thought about the situation before making her move and went on the front lines when the guild needed protection which is a fatal mistake that can cost you the war, esspecially when you leave the thing the enemy wants unguarded unless u count the non tenrou team who are okay but not powerful enough to to stop an entire army they they foul probably take out a good 50-72%, maybe if they are lucky and the army is like avatar weak.
Also the reasons I liked the last day of the Grand magic game is because for once they did not go in rampage style and gramps was a great leader setting up two plans and as suchtwo ways to save Lucy, Mavis was just as good with her fairy tactician setting up a plan maybe even better than Shiroe's from log horizon. In contrast Erza took her best team and herself with no plan to go on a wild goose chase and save gramps, of whom they do no know the exact location, and she left the guild unguarded when it's at its most vulnerable plus she never told anyone to be on high alert, I mean I get that lumen hisorie is supposed to be a serect but it's already out and fairy tail needs to be able to defend itself.
Guild Master: Mavis(founder and literal best just from the GMG u see that, Precht(great master caused no problems until he became hades), Gramps (great guild master with leadership skills as well as heart but doesn't let it cloud his judgement and always does the best for his guild, Macao (he kept the guild together for 7 years without team tenrou, that is amazing), Gildarts (not his thing to be master but he was responsible enough to ti know that gramps his best and he also put Laxus back in) Gramps (repeat...... That speaks for itself) Erza ( nit leadership skills and know that I think about is mostly basically just a secretary like Mira, she lets her emotions cloud her judgement and makes fatal errors).
Again i say Erza ruined the chapter by saying only Team Natsu was going but lucky Gajeel JUST BARLEY saved it by making a B team so instead of skipping the arc and just read the final battle I will now read it, though it would have been better if erza at least pretended to be an okay GM and make a small team at least similar to the one I suggested, that didn't include herself and seemed like it could do a convert silent ninja like mission, not one filled with a little kid, whinny bimbo slut, terrible leader, hothead, and someone that usually cool ad ice but is the exact opposite near the hothead, if she is gaining to make a team like this do a quick in and out mission then I pray that gramps come back asap or at least Laxus so he can be master until they find gramps.