Isterio said:
The quotes come from quotes Hiro specifically puts into the Manga to give us the readers an idea of the powerlevels within the guild and the Fairy Tail universe.
I had a discussion with my cousin back in the day when Fairy Tail in the manga was around the Tenrous Island arc, I think they barely had come back and we talked about "powerlevels".
He quoted something which made me think, y that´s true but that´s also kinda bullshit.
I was arguing how Gildarts should be the strongest judging by feats then I mentioned Laxus along the lines of second strongest and he said well "Natsu is among them, because he has "determination strength", he get´s stronger when his enemie overpowers him". That concept in itself is stupid because going by that without applying any rules to it "Natsu becomes Superman, he becomes as strong as he needs to be".
Which yeah, the main cast in Batlle shounen has to win, but not always in that obvious way.
See this "superman concept" can be done right and it was done right by none other than Kubo, who get´s alot of shit for his writing. But he managed to explain the concept of a character getting conveniently stronger the momment he needs it without explanation in a reasonable way. Simply by reversing the process.
I don´t wanna spoil, but within the Bleach series there is a flashback for a character that was struggling with his enemies in every fight, but beating them all of sudden by powering up. This character get´s revealed to have unconciously nerfed himself in the past therefore the power he was accesing all the time wasn´t really a power up but actually power he would have acces too if he wouldn´t have nerfed himself in the past.
It´s not a good explanation but it´s reasonable, because it limits the characters capacities to his maximum potential he used to have during his prime, no more.
If this character wants to surpass his prime he´d actually have to go training, which is a reasonable way to strengthen characters or get a power up with explanation like Jellals Golden flame. Btw I hate Oda´s way of growing Luffy it´s Bullshit it´s a plothole to the story and it´s the same deal as with Natsu, which is why I´m not a fan of Luffy and have a dislike for Natsu.
More a dislike for Natsu, because Hiro refuses to just put him on the top of the food chain and let´s Laxus and Erza onehit him while Gildarts intimidates him to the point where he doesn´t even try. I do not count those "defeats" as regular losses but show us his groth Hiro. Either he has surpassed them or not.
Because if he´s gonna apply the past logic again then the whole timeskip had no purpose since Natsu would become stronger during his fights anyway as long as the plot demands it.
Aren't Natsu flames powerful based on his emotions? A lot of people pointed that out through out the series. I get what you're saying, but I just wanted to point out, that the big bosses until now where taken out with help, not Natsu alone, he didn't do the classic, villain uses most powerful attack, gets up uses full strength or something.
Zero, points out that Dragon Force is the closest power to that of a dragon, and we saw Natsu and the others into DF mode, and didn't do that much damage compared to what dragons do, that might've been because the dragons were sleeping inside them, and preventing DF reaching it's "full potential" (that of killing dragons), take the dragon slayers from 400 years ago as an example, the could kill dragons, yet this dragon slayers couldn't, and they learned the magic the same way the ones from the past did, but still couldn't do shit against them. Point is Dragon Slaying magic is one of the powerful type of magics in FT, since it can kill a dragon, and dragons are arguably the most powerful beings in the FT universe, excluding this god that cursed Zeref.
This is why I don't like comparing series, because the stuff is different and everything works within that respective universe. Also to point out one more thing, we never saw Gildarts go full strength, not once, he always needs to be focused otherwise he'd wreck shit unintentionally. Just imagine him going all out.
