Fairy Tail Chapter 412 Discussion
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- #44
Aiko_Hiroshi said:
Dark_Messiah said:
Gray Uchiha vs Natsu Uzumaki for a moment right there.. another dragons appearing, Igneel better explain everything..
Darklight0303 said:
Aaand the devil slayer tattoo is gone! So celebrations all around.
Cheers!!!
It's not gone...for the last time it's just deactivated for now. Look back at chapter 398 specifically. Gray turns the power on and off whenever he needs to.
Why deactivate it when he's about to destroy END? Makes no sense. And once again TATTOO POWERS ARE NEVER PERMANENT in Fairy Tail. This has been the precedent thus far.
A much as I want that to be true, Lucy still had the tattoos and obviously will still have that power.
Sadly Gray's asspull will stay.
On bright side, Gray will be fodderized by End so rejoice.
- #45
Aiko_Hiroshi said:
Darklight0303 said:
CookingPriest said:
Darklight0303 said:
Aiko_Hiroshi said:
Dark_Messiah said:
Gray Uchiha vs Natsu Uzumaki for a moment right there.. another dragons appearing, Igneel better explain everything..
Darklight0303 said:
Aaand the devil slayer tattoo is gone! So celebrations all around.
Cheers!!!
It's not gone...for the last time it's just deactivated for now. Look back at chapter 398 specifically. Gray turns the power on and off whenever he needs to.
Why deactivate it when he's about to destroy END? Makes no sense. And once again TATTOO POWERS ARE NEVER PERMANENT in Fairy Tail. This has been the precedent thus far.
A much as I want that to be true, Lucy still had the tattoos and obviously will still have that power.
Sadly Gray's asspull will stay.
On bright side, Gray will be fodderized by End so rejoice.
Huh? Lucy lost her tattoo ages ago @@
And yeah that's true. That's some consolation
With Lucy its probably the same thing as Gray, the tattoo just deactivates when not in use. Lucy is the most deserving of a powerup since she sacrificed something to gain it, I don't see why she would lose said power up after losing one of her celestial spirits for good.
There's no guarantee it's lost for good. Hell the new filler in the anime has the princess making keys. There could be an arc dedicated to finding the new key or making one for all we know. Lucy's spirits are too important for her to lose one for good especially one as precious to her as Aquarius
Filler arcs in the anime don't determine what is possible in the source manga (Also those are not regular celestial spirit keys used for making contracts and summoning. They're just keys for closing the gates). Also why do you think Lucy should get her spirit back? losing Aquarius was important character development for Lucy and can lead to future growth. Just because its sad doesn't mean the author should try to deus ex machina the situation just to make the character happy.
- #47
Aiko_Hiroshi said:
Darklight0303 said:
Aiko_Hiroshi said:
Darklight0303 said:
Aiko_Hiroshi said:
Darklight0303 said:
CookingPriest said:
Darklight0303 said:
Aiko_Hiroshi said:
Dark_Messiah said:
Gray Uchiha vs Natsu Uzumaki for a moment right there.. another dragons appearing, Igneel better explain everything..
Darklight0303 said:
Aaand the devil slayer tattoo is gone! So celebrations all around.
Cheers!!!
It's not gone...for the last time it's just deactivated for now. Look back at chapter 398 specifically. Gray turns the power on and off whenever he needs to.
Why deactivate it when he's about to destroy END? Makes no sense. And once again TATTOO POWERS ARE NEVER PERMANENT in Fairy Tail. This has been the precedent thus far.
A much as I want that to be true, Lucy still had the tattoos and obviously will still have that power.
Sadly Gray's asspull will stay.
On bright side, Gray will be fodderized by End so rejoice.
Huh? Lucy lost her tattoo ages ago @@
And yeah that's true. That's some consolation
With Lucy its probably the same thing as Gray, the tattoo just deactivates when not in use. Lucy is the most deserving of a powerup since she sacrificed something to gain it, I don't see why she would lose said power up after losing one of her celestial spirits for good.
There's no guarantee it's lost for good. Hell the new filler in the anime has the princess making keys. There could be an arc dedicated to finding the new key or making one for all we know. Lucy's spirits are too important for her to lose one for good especially one as precious to her as Aquarius
Filler arcs in the anime don't determine what is possible in the source manga (Also those are not regular celestial spirit keys used for making contracts and summoning. They're just keys for closing the gates). Also why do you think Lucy should get her spirit back? losing Aquarius was important character development for Lucy and can lead to future growth. Just because its sad doesn't mean the author should try to deus ex machina the situation just to make the character happy.
Key of the Starry sky arc was confirmed as canon though. cobra's new look matched that of the one he had in the filler arc. As well as Yukino mentioning it as the Zentopia incident. It's not about it being sad it's about taking away from a summoner's summoning pool thus cutting down on their power.
Besides remember how Loke's key APPEARED in Lucy's hand after she talked and convinced the spirit king to take him back? There's no reason why Aquarius can't do the same.
Plus the 12 celestial spirits are ONE of a kind. They are unique and it's not like Aquarius is dead. Taking out one of them permanently makes no sense
I know it was confirmed canon but those events still did little to effect the main plot of the manga, like at all. Also it was just a generally badly written filler arc, as is the current Celestial Spirit filler arc which seems aimed at being pure comedy for whatever reason. I don't take either seriously in the grand schemes of things and I don't think either lives up to the standards of Mashima's writing style. Also who cares if the Celestial Spirits of the 12 Zodiac Gates are one of a kind? Permanently writing one of them out is great drama!
No it isn't. Not when the emphases of a celestial spirit mage is to own ALL of them at some point for some legendary reason. There are only 12 golden keys in the entire world. They are not mass produced like the silver ones. That puts them at far greater importance than your average magic
Lucy can't get all of them, unless Yukino gets killed off for whatever reason which would be equally as dumb. Lucy now has acquired Aquarius' power directly, making her far more powerful. If I would have to guess, she's going to have to do this systematically one by one with all her spirits just to have a chance at survival.
Maybe the whole point of the keys in the first place was to destroy them to gain true power rather than just collecting them all? It's quite possible actually. Most of the celestial spirits have proven extremely weak in comparison with most of the main villains of the series, their truth worth might be in combining their power directly with that of a wizard.
- #48
Darklight0303 said:
Aiko_Hiroshi said:
Darklight0303 said:
Aiko_Hiroshi said:
Darklight0303 said:
Aiko_Hiroshi said:
Darklight0303 said:
Aiko_Hiroshi said:
Darklight0303 said:
CookingPriest said:
Darklight0303 said:
Aiko_Hiroshi said:
Dark_Messiah said:
Gray Uchiha vs Natsu Uzumaki for a moment right there.. another dragons appearing, Igneel better explain everything..
Darklight0303 said:
Aaand the devil slayer tattoo is gone! So celebrations all around.
Cheers!!!
It's not gone...for the last time it's just deactivated for now. Look back at chapter 398 specifically. Gray turns the power on and off whenever he needs to.
Why deactivate it when he's about to destroy END? Makes no sense. And once again TATTOO POWERS ARE NEVER PERMANENT in Fairy Tail. This has been the precedent thus far.
A much as I want that to be true, Lucy still had the tattoos and obviously will still have that power.
Sadly Gray's asspull will stay.
On bright side, Gray will be fodderized by End so rejoice.
Huh? Lucy lost her tattoo ages ago @@
And yeah that's true. That's some consolation
With Lucy its probably the same thing as Gray, the tattoo just deactivates when not in use. Lucy is the most deserving of a powerup since she sacrificed something to gain it, I don't see why she would lose said power up after losing one of her celestial spirits for good.
There's no guarantee it's lost for good. Hell the new filler in the anime has the princess making keys. There could be an arc dedicated to finding the new key or making one for all we know. Lucy's spirits are too important for her to lose one for good especially one as precious to her as Aquarius
Filler arcs in the anime don't determine what is possible in the source manga (Also those are not regular celestial spirit keys used for making contracts and summoning. They're just keys for closing the gates). Also why do you think Lucy should get her spirit back? losing Aquarius was important character development for Lucy and can lead to future growth. Just because its sad doesn't mean the author should try to deus ex machina the situation just to make the character happy.
Key of the Starry sky arc was confirmed as canon though. cobra's new look matched that of the one he had in the filler arc. As well as Yukino mentioning it as the Zentopia incident. It's not about it being sad it's about taking away from a summoner's summoning pool thus cutting down on their power.
Besides remember how Loke's key APPEARED in Lucy's hand after she talked and convinced the spirit king to take him back? There's no reason why Aquarius can't do the same.
Plus the 12 celestial spirits are ONE of a kind. They are unique and it's not like Aquarius is dead. Taking out one of them permanently makes no sense
I know it was confirmed canon but those events still did little to effect the main plot of the manga, like at all. Also it was just a generally badly written filler arc, as is the current Celestial Spirit filler arc which seems aimed at being pure comedy for whatever reason. I don't take either seriously in the grand schemes of things and I don't think either lives up to the standards of Mashima's writing style. Also who cares if the Celestial Spirits of the 12 Zodiac Gates are one of a kind? Permanently writing one of them out is great drama!
No it isn't. Not when the emphases of a celestial spirit mage is to own ALL of them at some point for some legendary reason. There are only 12 golden keys in the entire world. They are not mass produced like the silver ones. That puts them at far greater importance than your average magic
Lucy can't get all of them, unless Yukino gets killed off for whatever reason which would be equally as dumb. Lucy now has acquired Aquarius' power directly, making her far more powerful. If I would have to guess, she's going to have to do this systematically one by one with all her spirits just to have a chance at survival.
Maybe the whole point of the keys in the first place was to destroy them to gain true power rather than just collecting them all? It's quite possible actually. Most of the celestial spirits have proven extremely weak in comparison with most of the main villains of the series, their truth worth might be in combining their power directly with that of a wizard.
Except that goes against the very concept of the bond between mage and spirit. And what did Lucy actually gain from destroying Aquarius. A barrier of some sorts. Wow that truly makes up for a giant tsunami that Aquarius could make if she was near enough water. Your concept is ludicrous.
darklight,as far as i like lucy keeping aquarius 'power, it's still impossible, remember mard know celestial king? maybe layla summon c.s and sacrifice one of the keys aNd later on,it was restore for unknown reason!
I think you misunderstood me. I am not in the camp of her keeping that power. It was clearly temporary and it's not like she can summon the Celestial spirit king constantly now that she broke a key.
- #49
Darklight0303 said:
CookingPriest said:
there's absolutely nosigns of her power being temporary.
Everyone else got perma-power up and Lucy really needs her.
IF anythng, she will end up sacrificing all keys eventually.
That goes against her very character. Sacrificing her friends for power? That's insane. She only did it with Aquarius because there was no other choice. There's no way she will do it again. And no no one else has got a confirmed permanent poiwer up
If Fai agrees with me than my theory isn't so crazy. It's not about what Lucy wants, its what she is going to be forced to do. It might destroy her by the end of the story, but its needed for drama and plot progression.
This is not Akame ga kill. This is the series Mashima started out to rehabilitate himself after the dark turns Rave Master took. =_= Breaking Lucy to that degree would be horrendously out of character and again she sacrificed ONE key to summon the king. ONCE. The tradeoff is not worth it and what we've seen of her so called powerup with Aquarius CERTAINLY does not justify the cost. Again. Lucy and Yukino are all about their bonds with their beloved spirits. Destroying that bond for the name of power is going far too far. That is not how things are done in Fairy Tail world. Not on the protagonist side. Don't be surprised when your pointlessly dark theories come crashing down in smouldering ruins.
In fact it was not breaking the key that gave her Aquarius' power. It was the SPIRIT KING. You seriously believe he'll keep repeating that every time if she starts spam breaking her keys for power? Seriously? Try and think before you type next time.