Fairy Tail Chapter 324 Discussion

So let me get this straight on if I understand this correctly:

- GMG happens.

- Dragons slaughter everyone.

- 7 years latter Rogue travels back in time to stop it from happening.

- Since he did that, the future is altered and Lucy from Future 2 travels back in time 6 years earlier to stop it from happening.

- Since Lucy did that, something happens that leads to Rogue from Future 3 travel back in time 7 years latter, restarting the loop.

bizbiz said:

i don't want to fall into clichés but i noticed that more than 90% who said they cried were female (Orulyon, Kanorin,RosyxKid, Farfallina, Renzhou48, Mgzem, sarrouch, animationqueen, Kimmy 122122)



And this proves once again what i said long time ago, this manga is more popular among women more than man, and you know how fucked up is this for a battle shonen manga? LOL

and what's more fucked up is that it's an ecchi manga, and women generally don't like ecchi... LOL



That proves how simple this manga is, simply create



-"Handsome" looking male character (for women)

-Women with big tits (for men)

-Random ass fights, it does not matter how they win, but the more important in  the fight is the end when natsu or someone else from FT says "I won't let you touch my nakama Don't touch my babe ..." (for men and women)

-Relationship between male and female characters just like shojo (destined for women)

so they will say "ohhh look how cute they are" nyyyya i wanted him to kiss herrrrrrr ohhhh(for women and some effeminate man)



WTF? HIRO dude just please stop writing shonen battle manga  you are a dishonor to this genre.



This simply can explain why this manga is on top 10 seller manga ; fan service. Done.



I said I was moved but I didn't cry,LOL,  and not only girls are moved by these kind of scenes, because males are also human beings, they just dont let his tears fall. LOL



This manga is as popular to men as it is for women (other example is Gintama), and Iam very happy for it, I do not understand why girls always had to read only shoujo and guys only shonen. Surely it all started like that, but hey, the world is changing and equality is bigger now, to the point where I can proudly say that I have many male friends watching/reading shojo and josei, and some of them even watched shonen-ai, and didnt complain, and girls watch ecchi, yuri and seinen and some even watch hentai.

Look at the shoujo Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun, Kimi ni Todoke, Clannad After story: Ive seen many males and females discussing about it regarding the romantic relationships.



You´re right, women usually dont like ecchi but we dont complain much since in the latest years the world of anime and manga realized that it was necessary to put more shirtless guys there, so I guess we´re finally heading to equality.  Bless you god!



Now to the right parts:

Handsome boys = you´re right. They help a lot when a girl has to choose a shonen. Still, Romance wins XD (Gajeel is not handsome but we ship him with Levy...or with Natsu XP);



Women with big tits =you´re right again, but I rather see guys drooling over big tits than objectifying loli children. That is my personal opinion only but everyone has the right to like whatever they want, this world grants us with freedom of speech and opinions and I support it.



Random ass fights =you´re right. It reminds me when all begin, with SailorMoon and DragonBall. Since those two, every shonen and shojo has "Ill protect my nakama", "Ill be exposed to danger 243242343 times and dont die and if I die, Ill come back somehow", "Ill have 324344 power upgrades and kill villains who just want to be loved".



- Romance =You´re right, but Ive also seen many males who cheer for Gruvia, Jerza and Nalu as much as girls, so it means, most of males dont have anything against it. Liking a romantic scene does not make a man "effeminate" like you mentioned. It makes him an AWESOME person, just the type that girls like to have a conversation with. If you dont like romance scenes, that means you´ll never be romantic to the girl you love and that, allow me to say, it SUCKS. Girls dont want flowers and candies and tears and sunsets, but surely we appreciate some romance. ;D



Fairytail has many problems and Ive stated many in my previous comments (no one dies and if they die they come back; only ugly villains die, the handsome are redeemed; random enemies; too much nakama power coming from no where (overpowered), etc). But I dont think that those you mentioned are the worst, and still, I believe there are worst things to read out there in manga world. IMO Surely Mashima can do better, but he is not doing a terrible manga either, I still find it enjoyable. Mashima is not a "dishonor" to the genre, nowadays shonen is inserting more shojo elements to make girls join the fandom and I like that. Pandora Hearts and Magi are two of the most popular shonen manga out there and they are both made by women XD

Darklight0303 said:
farfallina said:
Darklight0303 said:


...You know what you said just bumped up the chance of my theory that there are three timelines. One where the Eclipse went as planned and they killed Zeref. This in turn meant the Dragons never went extinct and they reasserted their existence on the day of the Eclipse. That would be Future Rogue's timeline.



Second timeline is future Lucy's where Rogue has already gone back through time to change it only in the end it ended up bringing the dragons into the present as well through the Eclipse gate.



And third is the present timeline where the first two converged.



I really like your theory, it makes sense! but there is something I don't like :P

can I make a little summary?



Well from this chapter is clear now that Future Rogue comes from a FUTURE '1' where 10'000 dragons appear. Maybe in this time line the gate was used to kill Zeref in the past and that made the dragons to appear in the present. But there is a nosense in this theory because if it is then Rogue could just travel back and NOT USE the gate in FUTURE '2' (Zeref will never be killed and dragons will never appear).

So Rogue comes back in F.Lucy's future (future '2') , but they never met each other. F.Rogue's presence alters the time and so F.Lucy comes back too this time.  Rogue's plan fails because the gate was never be opened. Now we have the question: who prevents the gate to be opened? Lucy or not? Is Rogue wrong? Does Lucy suffer of amnesia? Was Lucy possesed by someone, maybe zeref? But how could Lucy do that if she was in jail when dragons came? there are too many theories about this question.



And one more thing: it seems that dragons don't come from the gate because rogue said that even if the gate was prevented to be opened they appeared anyway.



If I misunderstand your theory please let me know :)



And now let me say something about the chapter itself... I'm loving it! As a girl I'm quite moved :-(

...but Rogue is really blind to not see two lucy standing in front of him ahahah OMG



Rogue lived for 7 years in the dragon reclaimed world. Most likely the facts wound up distorted as history has the tendency to over such a long period of time. And Someone has to have told him about the Eclipse and how supposedly Lucy closed it. Rogue was not there to see it so he most likely has only someone elses confession as the sole truth.



And whoever told him that, also told him of the supposed second use of the Eclipse Gate. The Rogue we have now is not from timeline two where Rogue already did as he was told and advised the princess to use the supposed Cannon function of the Eclipse. He is from Timeline one. In timeline two aka Future Lucy's timeline his fate is unknown hell he might even be dead after the Dragons would theoretically come pouring out of the gate.



yep yep! I think too this f.rogue is from timeline1 and this  f.lucy is from timeline2 XD But that the information about Lucy preventing the gate to be opened is from f.rogue experience in timeline two.

Maybe we're saying the same things and I don't understand lol XD



So in timeline1 (where dragon reclaimed the world) after 7 years from daimatou embu, F.rogue gets the information of the eclipse gate and of its uses (maybe right maybe wrong). He comes back in F.Lucy's timeline where he tries to use the eclipse as a cannon but f.lucy prevents the gate to be opened (and dragons re-reclaimed the world again). Here we are now, in timeline3, where f.rogue from timeline1  is trying to use eclipse as a cannon again but killing lucy before she can prevent the gate to be opened, and where a F.lucy from timeline2 says she never closed the gate in timeline2.



Anyway this makes sense, good job. ;)

I just wonder where these dragons will come from XD because I always tought that Igneel&co dissappearance was releated to eclipse activation someway. :) but now it seems the dragons come even if the gate is closed. XD

"Some person will closed the door. And that is Lucy" When I read this and before the name of Lucy was out, I supposed that she was, but... I need some explanations, and NOW!

lets put Future Lucy's death into perspective.



This IS the Lucy we know. Not an alternate Lucy. This is the Lucy we saw at the start, the battles, the fights, arguements, funny events, sad events, character growth, father, friends, who earned the love of her keys.



She got to see everyone she loved killed, she lost her limb and lets of special importance, with her arm she lost her guild tattoo, which she greatly regrets as we see her lingeringly caress present Lucy's tattoo. HER tattoo, that she lost with all of her guild mates.



This is who Leo loved, Who Wendy adores, Who Natsu cares for, ALL of them have fond memories of her and she IS exactly that person. Not a copy but the actual person who stood beside them. She's gotten a horrific bum deal and done her best to undo it out of love for them, she just died saving her present.



I cant even imagine how Present Lucy is handling seeing her Future self, who's suffered so much, die like this, when she could have been with them for years and built all sorts of cherished memories.



Its all the more painful because you're mourning a dear beloved who's also still alive. It really screws with your mind when your brain is experiencing despair and mourning but also see's the same person alive and get to live with them and experience life with them.



Time Travel is always messy.

Darkdrone said:
The first page seeing Sting's pathetic self acting so happy after the shameful experience of giving up to Fairy Tail, made this chapter already irksome.



The death scene was rushed and not very good in my opinion.



Rogue is a complete moron for telling everyone his plan, he should have just killed current Lucy in a suprise attack.



Found it hilariously convenient , that future Lucy jumped in the right second to protect current Lucy. Made me chuckle at ridiculousness of the whole thing. Natsu was dodging Sting and Rouge in dragon force with ez and your telling me he couldn't have reacted to stopping Rouge's sword? And your telling me Future Lucy calculated the speed and distance to jump at the right moment? Ya......okay.



The ass shot of Lucy kneeling down with future Lucy was unneeded in such a sad moment of the chapter but I guess he got to throw in some fanservice somewhere.



Lets completely forget that Rouge had 7 years training prior before the tournament. And then another 7 years of fighting/surviving off against the dragons.  All in all he got 14 years of training of fighting experience over Natsu and so if he gets stomped Hiro.......smh. What am I talking about, of course he will get stomped with teary eyed move that we seen before with a different name....its Hiro its all about friendship and making Fairy Tail the supreme gods of his manga.



Subpar chapter.  



honestly, I wasn't even remotely moved by future lucy's death. maybe because it was rush or just because present lucy was right there.



I pray future rouge with that 7+ years of experience can AT LEAST hold his own aginst natsu, I mean damn!...at this point (which is sad) it would be a miracle if rouge can actually stop/defeat natsu.

Nice touching chapter. Felt a little short though. Lots of recap in it.



How come all the grand devices in FT can be used altenratively as a cannon? Ah well.



Maybe Zeref will be the one to persuade Lucy into closing the door. Is Rogue lying or not? Well, let's see..

JkImpulse said:
Ghost-Edge said:
JkImpulse said:
OP has had stupid concepts and out of the blue power ups?



FT is a battle shonen, therefore you are allowed to analyze its fights and rate it based upon them.



Ok, now analyzing things that Mash has done wrong with FT. It's a shonen about magic, yet his ideas for magic seem to be very limited and specialized. Which makes me wonder who the hell is teaching all of these people these very over powered and specific magics.



He has had to pull from the field of "lost" and "ancient" and "overpowered" magic.



Has a simple fire wizard even appeared in this series? Um, I guess you could include the first guy that Natsu fights and the one guy he saves.



Every other wizard has some ridiculously strong magic that would takes decades to learn, yet they learned it in a brief span of time.



Let's analyze Erza. She is an S-class wizard apart of Fairy Tale said to be on par with those of the 10 Wizard Saints. We see that Laxus, Gildarts, and Mystogan, more or less, shit on Erza in terms of power. So this means that Fairy Tale, including Makarov, have 5 total people at 10 Wizard Saint power. (Does this title mean anything?!)She's a pathetic character that has only declined in power since the start of the series. Only to gain it ALL back for a single moment to defeat a bad ass.



Redhawk, gear second, Zoro's 9 sword style, Robin's wings, don't even mention sanji's powers or how he nearly bled to death.



I agree and personally I prefer the fights in FT than most other series. Especially in the anime which blows the draggy OP fights out the water.



Dragons, other mages, self taught through knowledge gained and the lost/god magics we have yet to find out about but it seems to be gifted in some way.



Lost and ancient magics are common in many stories and myths. This is not exclusive to FT.



Romeo. Wait didn't you say that the magics were limited and specialized yet you want more people to have the same abilities. Most of the magics are variations on other magics we see which fits in with magic coming from the heart, it very much a personal style. If you want an example, Biska and Erza. Also many mages have more than one type of magic. (I hope that Erza teaches Lucy her magic so she no longer has the weak spot of having her keys stolen when not in use. But I don't think it would fit in with Lucy's personality to not have her keys by her side.)



Cana and Fairy Glitter being an example of a gifted magic that is extremely powerful and nullifies your point.



Being a Wizard Saint isn't based on power. They need to be extremely strong but this doesn't define them as being the 10 strongest beings in the world.



Declining in power? Gaining it all back to defeat a bad ass. Who is this bad ass? Don't say Minerva because she even said herself that she was no match for Erza in a fair fight. Erza has extreme durability and very quickly figures out weak spots in her opponents which she did.



How is Gear Second an ass pull? It's purely based upon his devil fruit. Same thing with Robin's wings. I will agree that Zoro's Asura and Sanji's Diable Jamble seemed like ass pulls.



The fights in FT are horrible though. There hasn't been anything entertaining about the fights since Tower of Heaven. (That's when I realized they would all end in nakama power 1 shots.



Lost and ancient magic is common in many stories and myths, yes. To the extend of FT's usage, no, not even close. FT is to the point that to even compete, you are required to have a lost or ancient magic. There isn't a single big name player anymore with a common style of magic. Even Erza's and Lucy's magic have proven to be extremely rare. Lost and ancient magics are like, dealt on the corner of L street by some shady dealers. "Yo dawg, want a lost magic, it will make you ridiculously strong and turn you into a super villain." "Sure dawg!"



"Being a Wizard Saint isn't based on power." Um, yes it is. That is EXACTLY what the 10 Wizard Saints are. They were defined as the 10 most powerful wizards in sanctioned "good" guilds. You must be thinking of the council of wizard elders, which had an entirely different function.



It is an asspull because he never trained for it and pulled it out into creation only when it was JUSt the thing to win the day. Saying that it makes perfect sense cause that's his fruits trait doesn't cut it. Last I checked his fruit made his body rubber. It did not make his internal body over heat and allow him to somehow move at super sonic speeds. That is an asspull and saying that it's fine cause that's how his fruit works is the same as saying "IT WAS DONE WITH MAGIC"