Vampire Knight Chapter 93 Discussion
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- #75
bloodandcandies said:
00kiryu00 said:
WOAH WAIT I AM SOO CONFUSED WITH THE CHILDREN PART.
So two kids right. The one with light hair is Zero's and Yuki's and its a boy and the dark haired one is Yuki's and Kaname's and its a girl. I thought that both kids were Zero and Yuki's..? Or did Yuki beared a child before having the light haired(AND WOW THAT GUY LOOKS LIKE A GIRL. I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO GIRLS BUT WHEN I CAME TO THIS FORUM ITS A GUY WOW.) So basically she freaking had sex with both of them and each both had a child with Zero and Kaname.? I thought that both children was Zero's and Yuki's children cause at the second to last page of the chapter the dark haired girl said to kaname "this is a message to my mother to my other father" the word OTHER . That means that her dad was Zero and shes just saying that kaname would be her other father since Zero is dead..
OMG IM SO CONFUSED. I WAS SHOCKED THAT ZEKI HAPPENED. ITS ALL TOO RUSHED AND AT LEAST ZERO IS HAPPY BUT UGH I DONT THINK EVERYTHING WAS HAPPY AT ALL. EVERYTHING SEEMED SO DULL AND KANAME, I hope you have fun on your third life and this time no more burdens and sorrows <3
I felt sad that Zero died :''''''''''( I cant accept the fact he died even though i know hes gunna die sooner but I cant let it go anasdbjksdb. Hino Im disappointed in the ending because I told you TO NOT MAKE A ZEKI ENDING. ggwp. oh well Zero was happy until the day he died and yuki said she recieved alot happiness from Zero. So im happy.
Omg I am confused about the kids as well. It was the same with me, I though they both were Zero and Yuki's children and both girls; then I came here and it's a boy and a girl and the girl is Kaname's child?! I seriously don't understand this.
And yeah! I totally agree, it was a rushed ending, Hino-san could have written more 2 or 3 chapters for this ending and have explained it better!
I agree, but after doing more research it is most likely that BOTH are zero and yuuki's kids (yay Zeki <3 )
It was a very rushed ending! she could have used a whole other VOLUME to explain all the loose ends and such!
I was reading about that too!
There are still people who say the is Kaname's but... I still don't know what to think... Though I like both pairings (Yuuki and Kaname/ Yuuki and Zero) on this ending I prefer to believe that those are both Yuuki and Zero's children! It's So much better!
Idk but I hope Hino-san makes some extras at least to explain all this!
- #76
I don't think kaname's one do it with her when he wanted to leave
or make another pureblood with the curse of eternity
Kaname had a lover before yuuki
why is yuuki a slut?
kaname gave his full approval for yuuki and zero
yuuki was with kaname out of obligation
she wasn't happy
and Kaname's greatest wish is for Yuuki to be happy
for a person like Kaname Yuuki's happiness is his happiness
Kaname's knows with all his angst about his past he cannot make her happy
one would wonder if his heart is still with his first love
Kaname knows human Yuuki has grown to love Zero
Zero is someone she can laugh and joke with
Kaname is someone she admires
quoting Bleach "admiration is the furthest from understanding"
the ending was rushed
it was indeed crap
- #77
I feel like these are things people seem to be in denial about:
1. She's Kaname's daughter. Hino's playing halfsies, and loves both pairings enough to make a kid for each, not be so lopsided in choosing a pairing by making two kids for one ship. Plus, when you insert a sex scene in a teen romance, it usually means something. If it wasn't Kaname's daughter, they probably would have just been kissing while she cried. And the daughter would not have that imperial look in her eyes. And if it wasn't Kaname's daughter, she would not call her mum's old lover with no connection to her her father. I mean, if your mother introduced her ex-boyfriend to you, would you go "HELLO OTHER DADDY <3"? Come on guys, she's Kaname's daughter. We Zekis have already taken home enough gold.
2. Zero was not just a fallback for Yuuki. She's really, really loved him. She could not stop thinking about him during her time with Kaname. With Kaname's pushing and Zero allowing himself to be happy, they finally can have a beautiful relationship together.
3. Kaname crossed Yuuki's mind more than once during that time. She really really loved him as well. She probably grieved for a very long time, but she tried to go by Kaname's dying wish for her to be happy and to have Zero at her side. But it wasn't happily ever after for her. She probably missed Kaname like she missed Zero (but I imagine our sweet dependable Zero would have been a lot more understanding and loving when she was pining for him... even though Kaname arranged his family to be slaughtered before his eyes, made him turn into what he hates, and then ran off and slept with the girl he loves... I think Zero would have been kind and understanding and helpful like he's always been, unlike Kaname, who btdubbs also had another person in his heart, who threw a hissy fit and told the girl he's supposed to love that she's horrible and suggested that she suffer for the rest of her life as punishment for loving someone but resisting all her temptations.... I know it may be shocking but I'm not the biggest fan of Kaname)
4. Ummm... how can you guys have followed this series that includes incest for this long and be such puritans? YUUKI IS NOT A SLUT. You know, most people in their lives sleep with more than one person in their lifetime. And when they sleep with someone, it isn't a life-binding contract. Seriously, the slut-shaming of this character is disgusting. I don't even understand how you guys can dislike her for any reason other than her questionable decision-making skills (yea, she kinda dumb). But she's only wanted everyone to be happy, and that's her motivation behind everything she does. She's an idealist and desperately wants there to be coexistence and happiness. And in her .....*cringe* decision-making.... she always did whatever she believed would make both guys happy. Zero told her he never wanted to see her again, which is why she was so okay with leaving with Kaname. She wanted to make Kaname live a happy life as a human, so she erased Zero's memories too so he could live a happy life without her memory as a burden. And she has every right to sleep with her fiancee, and she has every right to live happily with someone else after her fiancee dies-ish. Sex is not a life-long branding. What century do we live in?
- #78
anyways onto this chapter....i guess i agree with you guys who say that this was a better than expected ending for vampire knight by hino matsuri since the backbone of the series was unraveling too fast for her to bind everything together in ONE chapter. although i feel like it sucks as an ending in general because ok zero pretty much broke character and he would NOT have been this needy and sudden and out of character if it weren't for the limited space of the writing, he would have waited. and yeah he basically became a substitute which sucks cuz i was actually thinking it would be better for him to go with another girl since in the end yuuki never seemed to really love him and i dont know why since in the beginning of the novel even with her liking kaname she still showed more love for zero than the reluctance at the end of the novel. wow and to think i was never a zeki fan but at the end i was like, idc who yuuki is with anymore cuz she sucks and the one without her would have a better life LOL and the manga was driving me crazy with its turns that i was like ok i dont care what happens, zero led a sad life so give him something to be happy about even if it is yuuki...and for kaname just keep him safe and alive and im happy, i have no more expectations.
and dont even get me on kaname's case...so ive been a yume fan since the beginning to end (tho if it didnt end yume i was ok with it cuz at this point i had no F's to give and just need enough to keep myself from flipping my desk) to those who talk about kaname being a memory-less father with two children to take care of...doesnt it remind you of that true story of sleeping beauty by the Brothers Grimm or someone else where the princess is actually raped by the prince and wakes up to two children? it's like kaname is the sleeping beauty (which he is, in his ice coffin LOL) and then he wakes up to two children....and wow how is he supposed to accept two strangers into his life, and he's supposed to have turned back into acting like a baby without knowing how to even talk, so the ending doesnt make sense unless the new method that aidou found was able to prevent kaname from going back memory-lessness and that the "magic method" is able to fill in plotholes like preventing kaname from regaining his memories in the future etc. wow magical ending -____- and wayyy too rushed, i even thought it was better for kaname to not live again since it would be so lonely for him but i guess as people have said, he at least gets a second chance at life while forgetting all the freakin torture he went through in his past lives from loneliness, self-hate, self-sacrifice etc.... and i guess this is ok as an alternative to a yume ending (maybe indirect yume?) and i feel like those children (although they both looked like girls at first)...one is kaname's and one is zero's, it would be matsuri hino's way of satisfying both fandoms and also makes sense cuz of the random love scene between kaname and yuuki which i disliked (because it didnt feel right being all rushed, i would rather not have it there as well to preserve the semi-purity of their love and because this is a freakin shoujo manga) and also the girl could be a pureblood and thats why she doesnt age and looks around the age of the guy even if he could have been born much later
so basically the only good thing about this ending is that everyone has now come together to bash on the ending instead of one pairing or another which was really sad cuz throughout the whole manga people have said really mean things about both zero and kaname and i feel like both were really good (and was a kaname fan all the way too) and wow there seems like a sudden emergence of kaname fans who wish him well with his new life which makes me happy and makes it seem like he didnt have too much of a tragic ending after all cuz he gets to forget the trash plot that happened after the middle....and at least zero was happy in his own way even if ppl say he was only a substitute so win win i guess with everyone hating on vk the manga itself in the end LOL and to those who talk of the third love triangle with kaname, his daughter and zero's son....WTF is with this theory, its like you guys have never even read this manga because then you would know kaname is not like that (to his own daughter!?!?!? kaname and yuuki were basically different generations and kaname keeps reincarnating so i would describe their love as those in mangas where the heroine falls in love with a close family friend or a not actually related brother and even zero seems like a closer brother figure than kaname to yuuki...and yuuki's parents were siblings not that i approve but it goes with the pureblood thing hino set up so i guess this way must be accepted for this manga only but in no way does the tradition span to cover father daughter!!! that is just pushing beyond the boundaries of moral acceptability lol) and yes as someone on this forum said, zero would definitely be rolling in his grave then. JUST NO that is NOT a possibility at ALL or else I will declare the mangaka officially crazy...but yeah about that vampire who can erase our memories of this manga, he or she would be handy right now...and umm where is that translating group's psychiatric ward? also i want to request for them to take me to japan too to have a word with the mangaka -_____- well anyways now...i will see if hino matsuri has any new manga in the future because her art cannot be passed up but man this vampire knight...just too many twists and turns even with this ending...i feel restless and idk, she should make a side story or something, too many things left unexplained and uncertain...and just...UGGHH idk too much angst, good bye vampire knight, idk if i will ever want to reread you, but you were my favorite at one time....
- #79
Can't believe it! What a disappointment!!!
Really, I would be happy if Zero end up with any girl, less Yuuki, plus having to accept a pure blood child, when he was a hunter and fought pure bloods...
Also, treesome kind of ending, had sex with Kaname end up with Zero...what a shame Yuuki! Zero was always there for you, you should have died before even having the chance to stay with him...
This serie was dead for me for a long time now, Zero was the only reason why I kept reading it.
Same.
I enjoyed these parts;
I am still confused tho, Zero and Yuki lived, years passed by, (Yuuki never got with Zero?!) Zero died, Yuki died, and Kaname lived?! What the hell? And she still only loved him? >_>
I read VK for Zeki and now.........
- #80
Why do people convince themselves that Yuuki was miserable, pining away for Kaname for 1000 years? Totally ignoring the fact that Yuuki never truly made Kaname happy (always jealous and possessive, half of her heart was not enough) and Kaname never made Yuuki happy (always feeling guilty and like she wasn't good enough.
The year Kaname and Yuuki spent together was miserable. She was starving for Zero's blood. She kept promising over and over and over that Kaname was the only one and she would spend eternity with him. She even desperately asked him why he never erased her memories of Zero. She felt she didn't deserve Kaname because she was always and would always be in love with Zero because he took that away from her.
I know that the mangaka doesn't care enough about Zero or Yuuki to show their life together, but she did indicate that they were happy together. She did have Kaname say that Yuuki was dazzling as a human, you know when she was with Zero, and that her radiance made him realize that she should be with Zero.
Yuuki was happy for 1000 years without Kaname. Period. End of story. She married, she raised a family, and she was not pining after him for an era. She came to him at the end because she still treasured their past and wanted him to be able to move on as well... and because the mangaka refuses to just let this character die.
IA with everything you said. Basically the only reason people convince themselves that Zero is a substitute is because they want to be in denial about the fact that Yuuki loved both guys and did in fact end up happily with one of them. Yuuki loved Kaname but he wasn't the right choice for her, and Kaname KNEW he wasn't good for her, I am very sure that is one of the reasons he pushed her towards Zero, he knew Zero was better for her. We get to see that Yuuki still cared about Kaname - she mourns him, which she would do for anyone but to say she spent years obsessing over him and never got over him is a stretch (someone said it earlier on the thread) because even though I am sure she would of visited him during the thousand year period this isn't mentioned or shown, the mentions of Kaname are just about Kaname, not Yume. If Kaname had truly been the only person for Yuuki she would of never 'settled' for another guy, she would of stayed true to Kaname and never moved on. What happened instead was that she always remembered Kaname but moved on with a guy she was in love with, got married, raised kids and lived a full life. She says she was happy. I know people get irritated that Zero said he wouldn't wait for Yuuki but he knows what Yuuki is like and he knows her feelings towards him - he has drunk her blood, he knows that she loves him (the kiss at the ball and the scenes before, during and after her taking Zero's memories show this) and that Yuuki, like him, needs to stop hiding from her feelings. That is why he makes the fervent declaration he does, it's because he knows if he waits Yuuki will either waste years or never confront her feelings due to guilt over what happened to Kaname.
- #81
bittersweetlove said:
LittleStar said:
I need vampire who erase my memories about Vampire Knight.
please, if you find one tell me lolNo, cause if we have our memory erased we may end up reading this piece of shit all over again by complete accident since we dont know how bad it actually gets again
*ROFLMAO* Oh God, I can't breath! LOL