Vampire Knight Chapter 93 Discussion

Now when it comes to a good story, I like a good solid conclusion or something almost completely open-ended. Matsuri Hino does not succeed in either of these categories.

There doesn't seem to be any true conclusion imo because there is still a power struggle between the humans and the vampires in order to coexist. This "cure" that has suddenly and out of nowhere seems to appear and after thousands of years is completed? Wth! I thought that the vampires in the series were a different species (with the superpowers) than the humans and the only possible way for vampires to become humans is if a pureblood sacrifices their own life to do so. Just when did vampirism(?) become a disease in this series? Does everyone in this series really think that all vampires suddenly want to become a human, especially the purebloods that are trying to conquer the world? no... just no... The only conclusion that I got out of this was that Yuki (the supposed center of the story) has died, which isn't satisfying to me in the least.

Do I believe that the ending was open-ended? Not exactly. Like others have stated, what if Kaname were to go though what Yuki did when she was trying to remember what had happened to her? This in all likelihood could happen, as well as living a normal human life. And wait wait wait wait wait... Kaname spoke at the end of the chapter which is all fine and good, but if he should have lost all of his memories like Yuki, wouldn't he have to start from scratch all over again? He shouldn't have been able to speak or even understand the words the children were conveying to him. Speaking of the kids, were they really ok with their mother just sacrificing herself for the father that they never even knew or will ever truly know? Vampire Knight was suupposed to be centered around Yuki, so now that she is dead, what really is left? Imo, unanswered questions revolved around contradictions.  

My Personal Ratings of this series

For the first part of the series before Yuki leaves the school: 4/5 = Plot was very consistent. All questions that we have been dying to know since the series began seem to have been answered. Yuki ends up with her dream man, and both are happy. I wanted her to end up with Zero before the end of this part but even so, If the series ended here I would have been happy with it. Ending would have been totally open-ended but would have had a solid conclusion imo.

For the second part of the series (one year after Yuki leaves): 1/5 = I actually think that I am giving this half too high of a rating. Yuki becomes unlikable by yo-yoing between Kaname and Zero throughout. She seems to have become more selfish and more babylike, not being able to fend for herself. She seems to do absolutely nothing, and constantly depends on one of her two boy-toys to get things done. At this point, like many others, I wanted Zero to settle down with some other nice girl and live a happy life, not some girl who is constantly flip-flopping. There doesn't seem to be a plot for this second half, and once we seem to have a glimmer of one it suddenly goes up in smoke. Back to flip-flopping, Kaname goes from good guy to bad to good to bad, etc. which became totally confusing once I would start picking back up the series every now and again. Even by the end of the series, there are many unanswered questions and ALOT of scenarios that should not have been included at all.   

Final Chapter: 1.5/5 = Even though I've been ranting on and on about how dissatisfying the final chapter was for me, I do like how the characters turned out in the end. Although I didn't want Zero to end up w/ Yuki anymore due to how she flip-flopped between him and Kaname, I don't exactly feel as though she only chose Zero as a replacement. It probably took quite a long time for Yuki to come to terms with her own brothers death and also time to realize how she truly felt about Zero and her brother. It's sad how nothing was really specified about how much time Yuki really was together with Zero or when he had died. (If I had to take a guess as to when he died it was probably not long before Yuki went to visit his grave because she was going to bury two halfs of the bloody rose w/ Ichiro and their parents. I could most definitely be wrong so this is just guessing on my part.) I guess what i'm trying to get at is although we didn't get to see how Yuki and Zero lived, they both lived happy lives with their two kids. Zero died, and sometime after, she decided that she had lived enough of her life and now that there is a "cure" (I still can't accept this) she believes that her brother can now live a truly happy life as a human without the worries of vampires.  

Overall: 2.5/5 = Although part two was for the most part truly terrible for me, it was still a good read. Would I read through it once more? Probably, at least part one. This is definitely one of the manga that I would put in my "top 10 most infuriating manga" list. Please remember that everything written here is my own personal opinion and i'm sticking to it. To those who have stayed with this series all the way to the end like I did, Congratualtions :D

I was so disappointed with the ending!! This was a brilliant manga and had like the worst possible ending! I mean nothing was properly explained. It was all left for guessing.



Oh and wtf was that about, Zero becoming only a second best replacement for Kaname? So disappointing.

RealExtinction said:
Lalalandzz said:


"The long and endless journey, you who existed for the sake of Zero's happiness, Kaname's peace and Yuuki's death, may your thirst for these desires be quenched." LOL



I needed to quote this and say how much it made me laugh. Kudos to ya (and the entire comment, of course)!XDD





LOL! Guys, okay, I can see a lot of people here hates Yuuki to the core, but, in my vision, she´s no slut just because she slept with both.

( She can be hated for  other things, i don´t really care anymore (¬.¬''') )



I think that, if in 1000 years, she dind´t love anybody else, then THIS would be strange.



It´s like, her first crush "dies", and mostly, HIM himself said that he would give up Yuuki....



...So, i don´t see why she can´t love another person, it´s not like everybody loves just one person for life.AND we are talking about a 1000 years span, AND THAT´S HELL TOO MUCH TIME.Zero lived plenty,him dying is justified, there´s no but here u.ú.



I think,  what made  THIS HORRIBLY CONFUSING END, it´s the damn fact IT WAS ALL IN JUST 1 FUC%¨&ING CHAPTER!? I MEAN... damn woman, couldn´t you write 2 or 3 more explained chapters? you have made many more bad chapters, at least THE 3 LAST you could have made better, and we wouldn´t care for the other 30 bad written ones!







This is the firts time i see someone actually "do" the everlasting  rivals in fandom have a final happy end.

Although it didn´t quite worked but, she had the guts to try a new hole type of conclusion that EVERYBODY knows it will go wrong.

But she got guts, respect that u.u



P.s:



I expect her next project to have a better end, really do.

MeruPuri was good.

VK was HALF GOOD.AND i mean the first half.

obviouslygeeky said:
I'm not too sure why people were expecting that suddenly the writing was going to be amazing and we would get an actual plot after chapters and chapters of fail.



This.



Aw man, I've been reading Vampire Knight for 5 years and the last 40 chapters have been such a nonsensical disappointment yet I kept going cause I used to love the manga and tbh I'm not even that disappointed with the ending. I mean, I didn't exoect anything good so it's all cool.

The whole thing with having two kids, one Kaname's and one Zero's is major bs though, I don't see why we had to have that but other than that idk man she ended the manga as well as she could, after screwing up the plot.

I'm actually kinda emotional about it ending. It really loved this manga when I was 13.

Eovine said:
Elyniac said:
Biggest disappointment in my shoujo manga reading career. D'8

+1

00kiryu00 said:
WOAH WAIT I AM SOO CONFUSED WITH THE CHILDREN PART.



So two kids right. The one with light hair is Zero's and Yuki's and its a boy and the dark haired one is Yuki's and Kaname's and its a girl. I thought that both kids were Zero and Yuki's..? Or did Yuki beared a child before having the light haired(AND WOW THAT GUY LOOKS LIKE A GIRL. I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO GIRLS BUT WHEN I CAME TO THIS FORUM ITS A GUY WOW.) So basically she freaking had sex with both of them and each both had a child with Zero and Kaname.? I thought that both children was Zero's and Yuki's children cause at the second to last page of the chapter the dark haired girl said to kaname "this is a message to my mother to my other father" the word OTHER . That means that her dad was Zero and shes just saying that kaname would be her other father since Zero is dead..



OMG IM SO CONFUSED. I WAS SHOCKED THAT ZEKI HAPPENED. ITS ALL TOO RUSHED AND AT LEAST ZERO IS HAPPY BUT UGH I DONT THINK EVERYTHING WAS HAPPY AT ALL. EVERYTHING SEEMED SO DULL AND KANAME, I hope you have fun on your third life and this time no more burdens and sorrows <3



I felt sad that Zero died :''''''''''( I cant accept the fact he died even though i know hes gunna die sooner but I cant let it go anasdbjksdb. Hino Im disappointed in the ending because I told you TO NOT MAKE A ZEKI ENDING. ggwp. oh well Zero was happy until the day he died and yuki said she recieved alot happiness from Zero. So im happy.



Omg I am confused about the kids as well. It was the same with me, I though they both were Zero and Yuki's children and both girls; then I came here and it's a boy and a girl and the girl is Kaname's child?! I seriously don't understand this.



And yeah! I totally agree, it was a rushed ending, Hino-san could have written more 2 or 3 chapters for this ending and have explained it better!

obviouslygeeky said:




IA, I think cutting out those chaps would of reduced the hate towards the ending quite a bit.

Re: Kaname and his memories, looking at Yuuki's experience of being turned human you would think that turning Kaname into a human is doomed to be a bad idea eventually. But I bet that according to some magic Hino logic that it all turns ok and Kaname is happy, that was the whole point of Yuuki turning him into a human. It's illogical I know but I am sure that is what Hino intends for fans to take away from that mess.

As for the children losing their parents, well, at this stage you would assume Yuuki and Zero had lived for years and that their children have also enjoyed their parents company for a long time - parents can't live forever after all.

It's bad for Kaname's daughter as you said since she is a pureblood but perhaps she finds another pureblood to share eternity with her which reduces the loneliness. Also, I guess if Kaname does regain his memories and reverts back to being a pureblood she gets her father back lol.





I feel like she ran out of steam completely towards the end. Bad plot twists then reversals, confusing the fandom and keeping everyone in painful suspense, instead of closing all the gapping plotholes she created for herself in the little space she had left.



I get what your saying about how parents don't live forever. I just don't like how she died. :)

Debates about the children thing...Reader discretion required! XD






I think it depends on individuals' opinions. I mean up until now, only the 2nd child (younger brother) is confirmed to be Zero's child since he inherits Kiryuu traits (silver hairs, lilac eyes) but there're still doubts about the 1st child (older sister). Probably she is Kaname's or could be Zero's; we've nothing to confirmed and Hino-sensei is clearly doesn't have anymore panels to clarify that. To put up two possibilities...



The girl could be Zero's child because:

- She inherits Kuran traits from her mother, Yuuki (brown hairs, red-brown eyes)

- She refers Kaname as 'my other father' and in other translation 'our other father'

BUT

She could be Kaname's child because:

- She inherits Kuran traits (brown hairs, red-brown eyes)

- She could be the symbolic of YuMe love; let's not forget about the chapter 89 sex scene and the reason behind it.

- It's not uncommon for children to refers their adoptive father or stepfather (in this case, Zero) as their 'father' apart from their 'biological father'. Since Zero could've been the one raising her, she would also consider him as her father even though he's not her biological one. So that explains why she refers Kaname as 'my other father', probably the biological one.



One paradox: The girl doesn't look a lot older comparing to her younger brother. She probably older than him for couples of years, give or take. Therefore, it can implies that she's Zero's daughter before a few years later, her younger brother was born. However, if she happens to be Kaname's, then she's a pureblood and that also explains why she doesn't age and appears to be around the age as her younger brother.



Thus, I think it depends on individuals' opinions but personally, I think she's Kaname's child as it makes more sense to me that Hino-sensei is trying please both her ships and that there must be a reason why she just throws YuMe sex scene out of nowhere.





That's all with the children thing, here's come the rest of my thoughts after I read the full translation of this chapter………(It's LONG, please bear with me *puppy eyes*)



What I LOVE about the ending:



1) Yuuki's speeches:

- Yuuki: "If only I wasn't born…If I never existed.. The you "today" would definitely be a lot more different"

- Yuuki: "But Kaname…I couldn't do anything"

What I feel: Hell, couldn't it be more obvious? Did she just realize that? *gasp* It's alright girl, it's better to realize late than not at all. Ohly s*** I never though this day would come when I want to bless your speeches and giving you a medal for getting smarter, Yuuki! But guess what? You just did! *loud applause*



2) Group hug! (Despite its OOC-ness)

What I feel: It was perfect! (Well if you cut the heroine out I mean) KaZe FTW! *been shot* To me it's kind of funny despite its irony of the situation because I was like O_O wha…what!? Did they just? 92 Chapters of bickering and trolling with who's going to get hook up with Yuuki and they just *snap the fingers* treaty of PEACE!? Seriously, I just don't know what to say.



3) Pairings alert!

What I feel: ShikixRima and KainxRuka!! Hooray!! *dance in absolute delight* Besdies, pairing like KaitoxYori and YagarixSeiren are cool to be shipped! XD



4) Zero FINALLY find his happiness!!! Zero's smile alone reminds me how I manage to put up with the craps in VK this far.

What I feel: Even though I can't put into words how much I despise Yuuki but I guess I just have to deal with it because she happens to be his only source of happiness. I'm glad he finally got to smile from his heart again and live happily ever after judging how much his life has been f***ed up. (His proclamation of love really makes me cry! For the love of God, he deserves WAY better than this! Why can't he find someone who will love him wholeheartedly? *sobbing uncontrollably* MY FEELS!!!)



However, there're things in this final chapter (alone) that are still nagging me: [excluding all the NUMEROUS plot-holes, supporting characters not getting enough screen time and blah blah blah]



1) Is co-existence really working?

Judging from "so both parties are once again struggling for supremacy and will co-exist for a long time" tbh, I don't feel any different from the beginning of this series. It's like they're going back to square one where there's still a cold war and conflicts going on between both sides. Even though the 'treatment' to change vampire into humans is complete, other questions are still arise. What if those existing vampires don't want to turn into human then what's going happen next? Will the hunters try to force them to take the 'treatment' or shoving drugs down their throats or what? Wouldn't that just continue the dispute between both sides? How is this accomplishment from the research leads to any dramatical change at all if the vampires refuse to take it? I just don't see it's getting them anywhere.

2) Will Yuuki actually decides to stay with Zero or even sacrifice herself IF Isaya doesn't disappear?

I mean I wouldn't be surprise if she will spend her life with human Kaname in case Isaya doesn't disappear and would-be-more-than-willing-and-honour to do the sacrifice.

3) Did Yuuki think of any consequences of her action? (Still the same thoughts before full chapter is out lol)

So Yuuki dies IN FRONT OF her kids and leaves them behind? Poor kids. I know parents don't live forever but Zero's son is so young and he's not immortal. Can't she wait a little longer just to see him grows up? I mean it's not like Kaname is going to run away. =[]=" What about Kaname? What if he has no memories? Did she expect Cross to adopt Kaname once he wakes up and hope they'll help each other out to look after her children or what? It's like creating more burdens to those people who are left behind. What will happen in the future if he regains part of his vampire self like she did? What's more, will Kaname be happy to wake up again just to realize sooner or later that his life has been exchanged with his loved one and that he'll be all alone once again? Although he may still got the kids and others, it would never be the same. The guilt and her death will eat him alive! The cycle of anguish will once again continue from where it was left off. At first, I'm kind of happy to see Kaname finally find peace he has been seeking for but when I start thinking about what will he have to deal with after he becomes human…well, I don't think he will find his so-called 'peace' to be like what he always dream of anymore but I guess symbolic of their love, the children, is all that he need?. The worst possibility is the incest thing. *flinch* I saw quite a few readers (from LJ, Tumlr and etc.) expecting some kind of 3rd arc of LT between Kaname, his daughter with Zero's son as his new love rival like those LT of Rido/Juri/Haruka and Kaname/Yuuki/Zero. Hell, just the thought alone already scared me to death. I swear Zero would be rolling in his grave if that really happens. Well, I better stop. *shudder*



IMO, (deep down inside) I kind of wish there'll be one more bonus chapter like an epilogue or something just so Hino-sensei can AT LEAST redeem herself (even if it's way too late) by filling in the void in her UNCOUNTABLE plot-holes. I don't mean all but at least SOME of it (like what are the children' names? Any major changes after the 'treatment'? We only see ShikixRima and KainxRuka, how about Ichijo and Seiren? Did they end up with anyone after they left Kaname? How about Aidou? AidouxTest tube? Who took the control of the vampires now? What happens after Kaname wakes up? Did he lose his memories? Did he move back to Kuran mansion with the children or get adopted by Cross, enrolled in Day Class and becomes a new prefect or what? Hell, I can list on forever!). On the other hand, I wouldn't mind if there won't be any epilogue or a bonus chapter (it's just that I think readers deserve more answers to their curiosities resulting from limitless plot-holes, that's all XD) and I'm glad this is the end (because who know what more plot-holes she can comes up with the bonus chapter). We don't need to keep worrying anymore about what Hino-sensei might tries to troll on us in her next chapter. Thank God, it has been 8 long and torturous years and now it's finally over. *tears of happiness*



In synopsis, I guess I'll consider VK to be one of those series which has an exceptional start, wonderful arts and intriguing plot during the first arc but then declining dramatically after that in term of everything, especially the heroine except the arts because the mangaka is so focusing on fan-service that she fails to use her well-established imagination to its full efficiency. Hino-sensei's art is no doubt flawless and beautiful but unfortunately her plot is too shoddy and need crucial development if she still wish to create more long-shot stories because the downfall of her plot and countless plot-holes and Yuuki have pretty much ruined the entire series quality even though she had an outstanding lead-off.  All in all, it has been a long journey and what I've learned about this series is that it's kind of like an unpleasant dream to me, both contains good and mostly bad parts. So, I'll just keep, cherish and remember those good parts (like MY Zero-chan!) which persuades me to pick up this series in the first place and consider the rest of it as one of my bad dreams/memories and hope I'll be able to forget that they ever occur to me one day. Last but not least, it's a pleasure to be part of this fandom and discuss with you guys. I hope we'll be able to see each other around or PERHAPS in one of Hino-sensei's next long-shot series. *been stabbed repeatedly* (since when did I decide to become masochist? XD). Until next time, ciao~!



"The long and endless journey, you who existed for the sake of Zero's happiness, Kaname's peace and Yuuki's death, may your thirst for these desires be quenched." LOL