Has Er Gen's writing style changed in quality for the worse?

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I am a HUGE fanatic when it comes to good writing in web-novels. The reason is obvious...given the industry, the mass chapter releases, web-novels get a bad rep as junk food literature. That being said, I even more so appreciate authors who in such a field, still work on their craft to produce good writing. Good writing introduces complex themes and thought-provoking ideas that readers can explore and can relate to in real life. Good Writing does not settle for generic plots or character tropes. Good Writing is well thought out, refreshing, and stands out from the thousands of generic works that are published every year.
This rant of mine leads me back to main topic of Er Gen. I have been a huge fan of Er Gen for the longest time because his work had always been a poster child for ideal good writing in the wuxia genre...that was UNTIL recently.

I have loved his use of world building, his greater-than-life characters, as well as the amount of depth he puts into each of his novel, but I have also noticed a significant drop in quality (or I should rather say, a drastic shift in his writing choices) in recent years.

When I read Renegade Immortal, the novel shined a different light on the bitter and unblemished life that actually is to be an Immortal Cultivator. Unlike a lot other wuxia novels out there, which was about face-slapping, getting all the girls, and being a badass-genocidal megalomaniac, Er Gen told a much more harsher and grimmer tale about struggle and sacrifice his character have to make and endure through to get to the top, which was something I never read before until I picked up RI.

Then Beseech the Devil/Pursuit of Truth was an even grimmer tale of immortal cultivation, which had a protagonist who was in even worse straights that protagonist in RI. It was grim, maybe even grimier, but it had some light & genuinely lovely moments that did not take away the seriousness of the novel’s overall theme.

Next was I Shall Seal the Heavens, (which I still view as my favorite Er Gen novel, despite some of it flaws). Er Gen really out shown himself with ISStH. While I did enjoy the harshness and gritty theme from RI and PT, ISStH was very refreshing for it's different take. It had a lot more comedy and light storytelling than what I’d come to expect for Er Gen. But I actually found it very pleasing to read. It did not detract from the novel's writing, but in fact enhanced it, which just goes to prove how talented Er Gen really is. While I admit that ISStH did come with its own set of problems, I still consider it has my favorite Er Gen novel. ISStH is the only book that I've read that made me tear up on 2 SEPARATE OCCASIONS just due to its excellent writing:
Spoiler: Excerpts1. The loss of his foster-father and loved ones during his experience in the Dream/Nightmare realm.
2. The tragic life of one of his clones, who was a blind carver that one of his love interests decided to become a mortal to live with him.
THEN THERE’S A WILL ETERNAL
Here is when I noticed the difference in Er Gen's writing. He leaned way too hard on comedy in novel, which is not a bad thing...but it was at the expense of good writing. Each time one of Er Gen's protagonists developed in character or strength, we as readers believed it because the amount of effort and struggle, they went through. But the protagonist of AWE had pretty a much a smooth sail of things throughout the whole story besides 1 or 2 bumps on the road. Everything seemed to be a slap stick gag that was just a method to drop the lead from one fortunate encounter to another. Nothing felt earned or deserving. Worse, was that there wasn’t any single memorable part, plot, or writing from that entire novel that stood out to me.

I was hoping AWE one just one Er Gen's less successful experiments and that he would get back to form with his next published work, but from I heard and read about, A World Worth Protecting follows in much of the same line as AWE which greatly saddens me.

Am I being way too critical or has someone else notice this as well? 
 
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It's a sad thing, when someone hate the genre, then he/she call the novel trash. In my eyes, everybody who don't like to read a will eternal must be crazy, that novel is so epic and funny. I already read issth and awe, and I like both of them. I don't even consider read pursuit of truth, why I bother read sad story? When the mc died? My life already complicated enough, I only want to read happy story, overpowered MC like emperor domination or funny xianxia stories like issth and awe. Although those stories also have sad moments, but that moment make me feel complete.

Many people keep tell my favourites novel trash, wahahahahahahah

For me, trash novel are like ze tian ji, world of cultivation, pursuit of truth.

I cannot even read past chapter 5 for woc, not past 200 for ztj people said that novel is good??? Another trash novel??? 
 
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Exactly. It is the same as in Shonen.
A video called it the escalation problem.
Dragon Ball is a good example. First it was intricate martial arts until one punch could destroy a building then an entire planet.
Krillin became useless. Everyone became capable of flight.
I don't think its the genre limiting.
Xianxia is the Japanese equivalent of fastfood shonen. The audience demands fast-paced shallow writing be too intricate and you won't be popular.
World hopping is probably the best way to maintain a solid story for long as it essentially becomes an anthology similar to how Devil 's Cage is. Sadly, even that is revisiting worlds which I hate, since it said you could not return to.
The whole female sidekick worship an idiot as smart is so annoying 
 
  • #4
Sure but I am saying it's an obvious trap to make a character a jack master of all trades. You are setting yourself up to fail.
Maybe you can point out a story who does it well. I can't think of any, not even Reverend Insanity 
 
  • #5
1) Striving for immortality means long life spans, duh. This is an archetype in xianxia.
2) Yeah it does, even without power scaling. The scaling only exacerbates it.
3) Why do you start talking about resource management? I was making a point about morality and general behavior here, and how that screw over having a consistent cast of characters.
4) Fast growth causes retarded power scaling, otherwise it's not relatively fast growth.

I don't care about scaling and resource management and whatever, I care about having a consistent cast of characters and what factors impede this in xianxia. Such a cast of characters is a necessity in standard novels. Two examples: LotR has the fellowship, Nightfall has the martial brothers and sisters, imperial family and other renowned characters in the world that time and again return.

I am solely focused on a consistent cast of characters. I already explained why.

As far as I know not everything I mentioned applies to CCG, and the other problems are instantly fixed by having the chat group, a place for a consistent set of characters to interact.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is. This isn't a good counterexample. If anything it proves that you need to fix the deficiencies present to get a better novel. And let's be real, is CCG the norm? 
 
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    First, stop insulting me. I have never even once done that to you. Second, I did not "self proclaim" as you describe it. I said "most people I know who have completed all 4 novels" and "can check it on discord" clearly states that I am not talking about everyone in the world and people can find those discussions. I am not talking for everyone, but only for the people I know. This makes that part of your comment completely irrelevant. Third, I did say everyone has his own preferences. You like happy novels - fine, you like mature novels - fine, sad novels - fine as well. Fourth, there is a massive difference between us and you. You literally insult, attack, complain and call certain novels trash EVEN WITHOUT ACTUALLY READING them. Aka you know nothing about them. Having opinion about something you know is fine, but your constant insults to people here who can actually provide decent arguments for their statements is at best rude, at worst plainly stupid. In the first place, the topic of this thread is "Has Er Gen's writing style changed in quality for the worse?". Coming and randomly complaining and insulting people who provides arguments for their opinions for no reason is low. Furthermore, we weren't even insulting AWE as you claim we did. Many of us have merely stated why we think its worse than Er Gen's previous novels and provided arguments for that. Based on votes, 4 times more people agree with us than disagree. Furthermore, the answer "yes" can also be further split up into 2 parts: "it got better" and "it stayed the same". So the difference is even bigger. And since you haven't even bothered to read, you have no right to attack us who did.Rating does not speak for itself. Without context it is useless. Just because it is rated high on NU, it does not mean that it is even good. For example, Series Ranking on NU just show what has decent release speed. Average rating is also greatly influence by other factors like source of translation. Pretty much everything decent what is translated on qidian will most likely have much lower ratings and number of readers due to the stuff like paywalls and NU not showing updates.The last part of your comment just looks like a child throwing tantrum because someone said something about his or her favorite cartoon.
 
 
  • #7
Damn!
You are in for a rude awakening.
It is sad that people like you believe that A Will Eternal is the best China has to offer.
No one in China believes that not even the authors themselves.
These books are referred to as mental masturbation by readers.
A disgrace to Chinese literature amongst others.
Only westerners with a grass is greener on the other side mentality think otherwise

Fastfood is fast food no matter how you dress it up.
Your fanaticism may cause you to live in denial but the rest of us won't deny reality.
Over and out!
My ignore list grows.
Peace!

https://forum.novelupdates.com/posts/5199787/ 
 
  • #8
All of these issues can be resolved depending on the way the author writes the story.

Lifespan: Just because characters can have a long lifespan doesn't mean the story has to span a great length of time. Why would the story require the mc to naturally live out his whole lifespan?

Multiple Realms: If the power scaling isn't so crazy and the secondary characters aren't incompetent then they can also follow the mc into the next realm. Tertiary characters and a few secondary characters will be left behind, but they can easily be replaced and there is still a consistent main cast.

Survival of the fittest: As long as society is actually coherent and not some chaotic anarchy then this won't matter at all. Not to mention, the main cast shouldn't be a group of extras that can easily be killed off the moment they leave a city; this is stemmed even more if the power scaling isn't some crazy exponential.

These issues will occur if the author doesn't take care in building his world and cast properly, but we shouldn't be basing the quality of a genre by the works of bad authors. 
 
  • #9
True but at the same time big websites like qidian and wuxiaworld does not really need any advertisement from NU because they have a very big pool of readers of their own. At this point, I would take novels like black tech internet cafe or any new genre despite its flaws over any masterpiece cultivation novels they would translate because there are too many of them. Just RI alone is enough for me to fill in the gap of those novels. 
 
  • #10
I simply give you the different perspective, you also hurt if someone insult your favourite novel right? Wahahahahahahah
Feels good 
 
  • #11
Be prepare to get insult if you insult other novels, and i'm not insult you personally,

I insult without reason? For a matter like preference, nothing matters, sometimes, only read the summary can attract you or make you illfeel, so enough reason for me to insult novels I don't like "like you"

Child throwing tantrum? Wahahahahahahah I laugh so hard because you didn't see yourself in the mirror when you insult other novel trash, do you really believe you read all that trash novel until the end to have a reason to call those novel trash? You only read a few chapters, see the cliche, then you call it trash right? So what the different between us? Wkwkkwwkkwkw 
 
  • #12
Moving goalposts? I see.

I did not say anything about any novels being good or bad. I merely pointed out your hypocrite behaviour. 
 
  • #13
Ah, I didn't really enjoy the more recent protagonists. I found them more unlikable than anything else. I'm not really a fan of protagonists who act stupid or have a sub-zero EQ. AWE itself has super high ratings though, so I've always kept doubting myself about it, but it's nice to see I didn't go crazy. TBH It's hard to remember the specifics though, since a lot of the different authors are so similar in their approach, the books I've dropped seem to merge into one super turd. 
 
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